> When I interviewed Naomi Klein the other week, she said that the Trot
> parties in Argentina - of which there are many, right? - drove a lot
> of people off the streets and back into their houses with their
> tedious rhetoric.
>
> Doug
I heard that interview after I wrote my email on the Brazilian attitude to Argentine rebellion. I can't say what happened in Argentina first hand, but I am told that there is an immense amount of sectarianism at pretty much all levels. The anti-trotskyists I spoke to complained that the trots couldn't see this for the (positive) diversity and plurality they think it is. I am left a bit cold by Klein's talk of 'the community', as opposed to the nasty politicking parties. 'The community', in my experience, can be a nest of vipers. Perhaps the self-organization movement lost steam for all sorts of reasons, and there is always someone around to blame that on the Trots.
On the other hand, I couldn't agree more that listening to Trots is mind- bogglingly boring, though from what I heard from a couple of Argentine trots (a tiny sample - I think there are more Argentine trot sects than there are Argentines) they were pushing for the radicalisation of the movements, for instance pushing the factory occupation movement from abandoned to as yet not bankrupt sites. Or at least that is what they say.
A great advantage of Brazilian rallies is that there are enough drums around to pass the time while the Trotbots do their thing. Maybe Tango is a bit too much of a boudoir affair and hence the Trot Boredom Field in Argentina is more efficient...
Thiago
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