----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu>
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> Ian Murray wrote:
> >
> > > Ian Murray wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dennis Perrin" <dperrin at comcast.net>
> > > [clip]
> > > > > And I don't see why
> > > > > anyone who opposes this land grab would hope
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> for massive Iraqi
> > > > > casualties.
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> > No one is on the sidelines and no one except you mentioned the word
hope.
> > Retire already.
> >
> > Ian
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> Read what you had just quoted from Dennis.
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> I'll also maintain that the question of what 'we' should "hope" for has
> run all the way through this thread -- but in any case the word
> certainly appears here! :-)
>
> Doesn't the whole discussion turn around what would be the "best"
> results from the war?
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> Carrol
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Oh, I get it; he negates the idea of negative hopes, a nice dialectical maneuver btw, and you want to use that to assert that some of us are engaged in naive optimism in order to demonstrate......what, exactly? Cynicism and Imagination ain't *the same*.................We can't know what's best, we can only do the best we can from where-when we are now. How many more clichés do you want Ecclesiastes-Thrasymachus?
Ian