RE <earnest at tallynet.com> wrote:> I'm not sniffing out excuses for Dems, sorry if I implied that. It strikes me that the Dems don't believe they can shape political communication at all. You just noticed:? > Couldn't Daschle support the war without saying Bush has made no mistakes? Apparantly not. > Do war supporters all demand total loyalty? Of course. > Couldn't Daschle simply elaborate on the existing critique of "inadequate Homeland security" and talk about "inadequate war preparations"? Hell, in a few days he'll be able to quote generals. Generals can talk. Democrats feel they can't. They believe the public feels they are wimps and fags (fags being Unmanly and Unwarlike, like Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar), and that therefore they must wimp out if someone waves a flag at them. There is an obvious psychosexual dynamic going on here. In my view the Dems are being typically fucking stupid. They cannot persuade the public they are Manly by allowed the
GOP to sodomize them in public. But they do it time and time and time again, thus persuading the public that they really are faggy (in the loose and opopular sense, not in the Alexander the Great sense). If they showed a little spine and went on the attack for their principles, the public might respect them. They might actually find that they can affect public discourse. Seems to me that, for example, a legisloator for our last successful third party (the GOP), one Abraham Lincoln, went on record as attacking Polk's Mexican War as wrong and illegal, and later won the Presidency. As president he was attacked as wimp and an incompetent by Democrats (who lost the next election) for fighting (a) badly, which was true enough for quite a while, and (b) at all, but note that they had no compunctions about going after him at wartime. He locked quite a lot of them up too. Be that as it may. The Dems today are not going to change, which is one resaon I don't support them. jks Randy
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I of all people make no excuses for Dems, but 70% of the public supports this way. Those are hard numbers for politician to disregard. jks
RE <earnest at tallynet.com> wrote: But why does he think that the only option is to cave? This reminds me of Trotsky's comment regarding terrorists having no faith in the masses, it appears that apologizers haven't any as well. Doesn't he feel that he can assert the importance of trying to "think clearly, and not blame always blame those who disagree with us," and how his opponents are "taking the value of loyalty and turning into a blank check on America's future," blah blah blah?? Or is it that potentially critical Dems feel so outgunned in the media that they don't think they can get their point across, they'll just get O'Reillyed? My first reaction is to rail at their gutlessness, but is it based on a thoroughly pessimistic analysis of who controls political dialogue/symbolization processes? RandyCBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
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