[lbo-talk] During the second Chechen war...

Chris Doss itschris13 at hotmail.com
Tue May 20 08:32:46 PDT 2003


Weird mixture of truth, untruth and ridiculous hyperbole.


><URL: http://www.amina.com/article/bluff.html >
>During the second Chechen war 7 towns including the capital Grozny and
>several tens of villages WITH THEIR CITIZENS were destroyed.
--- Horseshit. The Russians dropped leaflets warning civilians to leave.

--- The
>military used vacuum bombs, chemical and bacteriological weapon, heavy
>artillery and etc.
--- I doubt chem/bio, though it's possible. Using heavy artillery on fortified urban positions is the only way to take fortified urban positions without massive casualties on your side, esp. since the Russian Army is mostly composed of nearly untrained conscripts. ---

Mass executions and burning of alive people
>(in Malye Aldy village 80 civilians were executed, tens of civilians were
>executes in Staropromyslovsky district of Grozny, Komsomolskoe and Goiskoe
>villages). This information was presented during the Moscow conference on
>Chechen problem Nov 19-20, 2000.
--- Certainly possible. But that was 1999-2000. This is 2003. Conflict is in a completely different stage. You are probably unaware of the fact. ---

"Large armed
>gangs" are defeated, report the military, which means everything that can
>be destroyed is destroyed, and the gunmen split into small groups and
>started guerrilla war. As a result the FSB took responsibility for
>Chechnya, which means that the main method of fighting partisans is mop up
>operations in villages taking away civilians and torturing them in
>filtration camps.
--- No. Mop-up operation are conducted by conscripts. ---


>Thus the method of the genocide of Chechens
---- !!!!!!!!! Hyperbole stands for itself. Most Chechens aren't even in Chechnya. ---

by using arms of mass
>destruction was replaced by mass torture of the nation. Russian authorities
>doom 200 000 Chechen refugees living in Ingushetia for starvation, cold and
>epidemic.
--- There has been no starvation, cold or epidemic. --- According to the data of the
>humanitarian organizations the refugees haven't received products for two
>months already, 325 people out of every 1000 are infected with
>tuberculoses. Poor people are being forced to return to Chechnya.
--- Mainly because the Ingush, where they are living, don't like them. Not that I suspect that you know what the Ingush are. --- Those lucky who managed to get to Moscow or other Russian
>regions face other problems. Chechens are denied employment, lodging,
--- Yes, because of vicious anti-Chechen prejudice caused by the Chechen slave trade, which, I notice, you have never mentioned. --- children are not allowed to school. --- False. Chechen children outnumber Russians in the Yugo-Zapadnaya neighborhood of Moscow, which is Chechnya Town. ---

They can be detained at
>any time by the police and taken away to the police station
--- Yes. Usually what happens, though, is that they pay the cop a bribe of $5 or so if they don't have Moscow registration. --- where
>they are interrogated by the methods used at the time of Stalin
>repressions.
--- Come on. They pay a $20 bribe.

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