[lbo-talk] Nye on empire

Gitchee Gumee gitcheegumee at earthlink.net
Sun May 25 21:54:56 PDT 2003


Nye's analysis (and those of his ilk) suffers not so much from merely "a certain lack of supporting evidence," as it does from a deliberate, un-relenting and systematic avoidance of abundant and overwhelming evidence.

His suggestion of a "natal ideology of anti-imperialism," has never been, otherwise, than a transparent excercise in delusion, denial and deception.

I would ask Dwayne Monroe, and others on this list, did the Founders of this country invite Native- Americans to their Continental Congress to help frame their constitution? Did they invite any slaves to help frame their constitution? How many women were invited to help frame their constitution? And, for that matter, how many non-propertied white males did they invite to help frame their constitution?

Whose class interests were represented, at that time or since, in their constitution (or by which amendment to their constitution), apart from their own bloody class of white male slave-owners?

Is the political implementation of their constitution anything else, than, to borrow from Michael Parenti, "Democracy for the Few" (i.e., for the very few)?

What percentage of the population (as a whole), including Native-Americans, African-Americans, female Americans, and non-propertied white male Americans, was comprised of white male slave-owners?

While imperialism has never been a "comfortable experience" for those Americans systematically oppressed by this tyrannical system, it has, on the other hand, been a most "comfortable" and highly rewarding "experience," for the ruling class (if you'll pardon that expression) of this so-called, and falsely advertised, "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave."

In no case, whatsoever, have U.S. policies toward the rest of the world, led to creation of anything like a meaningful, or correctly described result, of economiclly-rooted democracy.

The fallacious deceit of U.S. "interventions" has, in each case (without exception), been rooted, not on a "common assumption" of "good intentions gone awry," as on an unbroken litany of transparent and flimsy pretexts, a complex web of deliberate lies and treacherous deceit, which has, throughout the course of American history, been designed primarily to hoodwink the US 'body politic,' and to engage our support, and blind acquiescence, in their criminality.

Joseph Nye is another bald-faced and shameless propagandist for U.S. Imperialism

See:

<http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm>

<http://www.neravt.com/left/DossieronAmerica.pdf>

<http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/CIAtimeline.html>

<http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/1819/sw181910.htm>

<http://www.americanstateterrorism.com/ChronologyofTerror.html/>

Dwayne Monroe wrote:


> “Despite its natal ideology of anti-imperialism, the
> United States has intervened and governed countries in
> Central America and the Caribbean as well as the
> Philippines. But imperialism has never been
> a comfortable experience for Americans, and only a
> small portion of the cases led directly to the
> establishment of democracies.”


> Nye’s essay makes some interesting points. But, as
> the statement above reveals, it is built upon a common
> assumption: that the US’ interventions - bloodshed and
> mayhem notwithstanding - have been motivated by a
> desire to create democracies. This can be described
> as the ‘good intentions gone awry’ premise. It has
> provided folks from the acceptable liberal end of the
> debate spectrum a ‘loyal opposition’ platform from
> which to make their muted criticisms.


> Like the stories of the Easter Bunny and St. Nick, the
> premise suffers from a certain lack of supporting
> evidence.
>
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