[lbo-talk] Democratic Communism

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Tue Nov 11 13:13:06 PST 2003


From: "Lew Higgins"


> CB: Doesn't it make sense, in terms of reality, to anticipate that there
> will be a transitional phase and society between capitalism and
> communism ?

Of course, and that is what Marx and Engels wrote about in the dictatorship of the proletariat: a political transition to bring about communism.

^^^^ CB: I don't remember right off whether you are an anti-Leninist, but this is what Lenin wrote too.

^^^^^


> Secondly, one practical reason there must be a socialist state is that as
> long as there are capitalist states, the revolutionary countries
> must have a
> state to defend themseleves from the capitalist states, as the first
> historic experiences with building socialism have proven in spades.

A "socialist state" is an oxymoron used to disguise a dictatorship over the proletariat.

^^^^^ CB: It's not an oxymoron in Marx and Engels theory , because the state doesn't whither away until full communism. ( See first question above).

^^^^

Even Lenin realised, some of the time, that socialism in one country could not be viable in a capitalist world.

^^^^^ CB: More accurately, couldn't be viable permanently, until the socialism in one country was joined by other countries. You don't think Lenin aimed at confining socialism to one country do you ?

^^^^^

What the "historic experiences with building socialism have proven" is that they furthered the development of wage labour, capital, commodity production and the state, which resulted in the exploitation of the working class by the party bureaucracy as the exploiting class.

^^^^^^

CB: But you feel that if we could just get the right people to carry out the revolution , it is still possible to get real socialism ?

-- Lew



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