As somebody pointed out on a another list where this issue is being debated "Saying defeating Bush will defeat Bushism and the right is as short signed as Herbert Aptheker saying back in '64 that defeating Goldwater would defeat the right back then... look where we are now." We MUST think LONG-TERM.
I worry less about who is in the White House than the consciousness of political thougt among progressives. We tend to be more alarmed by things the Republicans do than we are about the Democrats even when they do the same sorts of things. I think this is a major folly that the Democrats exploit to their advantage. if we would pay morte attention to what is being done and oppose it with equal vigor than modulate our reaction based on our perception of the perpetrators - we would be in much better shape.
Joe W.
>From: Dwayne Monroe <idoru345 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: [lbo-talk] Let Ralph Debate in 2004
>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:04:32 -0800 (PST)
>
>Doug wrote:
>
>I'm amazed how provincial some people are about this -
>several billion non-USers are extremely alarmed by the
>Bush admin. *They* think something is different - as
>Zizek put it, one of those differences of degree
>becoming a difference of kind. We owe it to the
>outside world to get rid of the thugs.
>
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>
>Exactly.
>
>The Bush admin is dangerous for reasons that we can
>see clearly - the reckless militarism - and for
>reasons that creep beneath the surface.
>
>They are seeking to change, permanently we must
>assume, the character of the culture. They wish to
>eradicate all areas of American life that do not fit
>into their vision - such as it is. This is why
>Ashcroft, to cite a prominent example, is so
>important: he seeks to create new norms that will
>outlast his tenure.
>
>Already, by invading Iraq, the Busheviks have
>succeeded in creating an occupation that will continue
>in one form or another for years to come - regardless
>of who's sitting in the White House. There are other
>violent endeavors underway which are being made
>permanent features of US foreign policy. Collectively
>these actions should be seen as little steps towards
>global suicide.
>
>If the year was 1740, this would be bad but not a
>threat to the health of the species. Considering the
>destructiveness of the weapons at the world's disposal
>and the threats we face requiring international
>cooperation but which are being neglected while the US
>attempts to reverse its decline through force, the
>potential for a bad end for everyone - sooner or later
>- should not be dismissed as alarmist fantasy.
>
>I believe Zizek laid out the stakes effectively in his
>essay, *THE IRAQ WAR: WHERE IS THE TRUE DANGER?* an
>excerpt from which is copied below.
>
>
>DRM
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>from -
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>http://www.egs.edu/faculty/zizek/zizek-the-iraq-war-where-is-the-true-danger.html
>
>
>THE IRAQ WAR: WHERE IS THE TRUE DANGER?
>Slavoj Zizek.
>Lacan.com 03.13.2003.
>
><snip>
>
>
>We do have here a kind of perverted Hegelian "negation
>of negation": in a first negation, the populist Right
>disturbs the aseptic liberal consensus by giving voice
>to passionate dissent, clearly arguing against the
>"foreign threat"; in a second negation, the "decent"
>democratic center, in the very gesture of pathetically
>rejecting this populist Right, integrates its message
>in a "civilized" way - in-between, the ENTIRE FIELD of
>background "unwritten rules" has already changed so
>much that no one even notices it and everyone is just
>relieved that the anti-democratic threat is over. And
>the true danger is that something similar will happen
>with the "war on terror": "extremists" like John
>Ashcroft will be discarded, but their legacy will
>remain, imperceptibly interwoven into the invisible
>ethical fabric of our societies. Their defeat will be
>their ultimate triumph: they will no longer be needed,
>since their message will be incorporated into the
>mainstream.
>
>...
>
>full at link above
>
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