[lbo-talk] conspiramongering

Michael Pugliese debsian at pacbell.net
Sat Nov 22 16:03:43 PST 2003


On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:31:46 -0800, Joseph Wanzala <jwanzala at hotmail.com> wrote:


> This is typical of Pugliese's 'guilt by association' tactics. Mike why do
> you pretend that these ideas are the sole preserve of 'far rightists' as
> though there are not many leftists who do similar research.

Jeeze, Louise, plz. hand me the ConspiraCheese!!!~

Heh and AARGH, as a steady peruser of such websites as http://www.globalresearch.ca/ (Google, "Chossudovsky Pugliese, " and you'll see many a post by me over the last 3 or 4 yrs. by me on that ex-maoist loon [so much so, that he has and his friend of thirty yrs, Andre Gunder Frank has asked me to cease and desist from attacking him] who believes in the ability of HAARP to control the weather and all manner of other nonsense he believes from such far right-wingnuts as John Whitely of the New World Order Intelligence Update w/ his fantasies of the Illuminati) I am more than aware, as is Chip, Doug, Steve and many others here of those w/ left backgrounds who have added to the trove of material that has a "left" veneer.

This thread has run it's course. Conclusion? That conspiranoids have a methodology that is fundamentally flawed insofar as it inevitably postulates a cabal of Evil Men, that if they were removed by a counter- cabal of anti-Evil Men, would restore the Arcadian Grove of a System that remains untheorized, untouched in it's structural bases that as a condition of it's production and reproduction of the class structures and all the other esocio-economic processes necessary to the exploitation and oppression of the w/c etc.

Those of us (most of the list) that were radicalized partly by extensive study of Marxist texts vs. those that have this eclectic, "It's Anti- Establishment, who cares if most of the purveyers are hostile to the Left OR are Leftists themselves that so despise Liberals and Weaselly SocDems (like Cockburn to pick one or Carl Oglesby) That United Fronts W/ Far Rightists Are Preferable To Collusion W/ The Evil Ones!"

-- Michael Pugliese, overposted time to shut up...



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