The founder of the Birch Society thought Ike was an agent of the communist conspiracy. The Birch Society argued in the early 1960's that the internationalist and interventionist "military-industrial complex" was run by liberals in league with communists. They never went soft on "Ike." They were isolationists who thought taxes were wasted on an interventionist military.
Can you understand that the fact that Jack Ruby's name was originally Jake Rubinstein should be at best an anecdote to history, and that mentioning in a discussion about conspiracy smacks of antisemitism?
Chip Berlet Senior Analyst Political Research Associates http://www.publiceye.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Mage [mailto:shmage at pipeline.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] "Left" Believers In Warren Report
>
>
> Chip, did you actually read what I wrote? Didn't I say
> >"...the details of who conspired, how, and
> why, remain secret..."?
> By the way, it was *Eisenhower*, hated by the Birchers,
> who warned of the "military-industrial complex." Since
> you seem to be much closer to these people than anyone else
> around here, could you tell us when they went soft on Ike, please?
>
> Shane
>
> >I'm sorry, Shane, I am confused. Are you supporting the John Birch
> >Society theory (picked up by Oliver Stone) that Kennedy was
> killed by a
> >conspiracy of the military industrial complex and that Jack Ruby was
> >part of the vast plot when he killed Oswald?
> >
> >Or
> >
> >Are you supporting the even further to the right theory that Kennedy
> >was killed by the secret global Jewish elites and that their
> agent Jake
> >Rubinstein was part of the vast plot when he killed Oswald?
> >
> >It is so hard to keep up....
> >
> >Chip Berlet
> >Senior Analyst
> >Political Research Associates
> >http://www.publiceye.org
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shane Mage [mailto:shmage at pipeline.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:26 AM
> >> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> >> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] "Left" Believers In Warren Report
> >>
> >>
> >> Doug wrote:
> >> >...Pretty much everything you need to know about how
> things work is
> >> >right in the open.
> >>
> >> Many of us have long known "pretty much everything you
> need to know
> >> about how things work." But the devils hide in the
> details, don't
> >> they? The *fact* that Kennedy was overthrown conspiratorially has
> >> been "right in the open" since day three (the smoking gun was
> >> literally seen worldwide in the hands of Jake Rubinstein
> > > alias Jack Ruby). But the details of who conspired, how, and >
> > why, remain secret. Do I "need to know" them? Until I do
> >> know, no-one has the right to tell me that I don't need
> to know.
> >> Likewise with the events around "9/11." But the need to
> know about
> >> that seems to me to be clearer and much more urgent.
> >>
> >> Shane Mage
> >>
> >> "Thunderbolt steers all
> >> things."
> >>
> >> Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
> >>
> >>
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