[lbo-talk] internet infrastructure investment data

Kendall Clark kendall at monkeyfist.com
Tue Oct 7 18:19:53 PDT 2003


On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 12:27:36PM -0700, Dwayne Monroe wrote:
> Kendall Grant Clark posted:
>
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> Thus, it's entirely possible that $$ saved the Web,
> rather than purely technical changes.


> I would begin by querying folks at the following
> organizations who undoubtedly have members with quick
> access to this sort of data.

Hmm, actually, not so much. These guys are all geeks and don't track that sort of stuff. The IETF particularly... But thanks.


> Like you, I've heard and read this assertion that 'web
> services' saved the 'Net.

No, sorry, that's neither what I said nor what I've heard others say. I said that there is this idea that some very specific technical changes in the HTTP protocol (moving from pre-1.0 to 1.1, defined in at least 2 IETF RFCs) that "saved the Web", not "Web Services", which is something else altogether.


> Web Services usually means those things you can do
> with J2EE as implemented via BEA Weblogic or IBM
> Websphere to name prominent dev platforms.

No, not really. That is, one might use a J2EE app server to do web services, but web services is not the same as what one might do with a J233 app server.

For a techie presentation of what Web Services is, look at the W3C's Web Services Architecture document (an early version of which I wrote a column about):

Web Services Architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-arch/

A Tour of the Web Services Architecture http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2003/06/18/ws-arch.html


> Enter J2EE, enter web services. Now we know what JAVA
> is good for: providing methods for presenting and
> manipulating new and legacy data via a browser.

No, sorry, but this is just not accurate at all. The endpoints of a typical web service do not include browsers or human agents.

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