Joe W.
Here is what Cockburn says - among other things:-
http://www.counterpunch.org/leftlibertarian.html
I think the old categories are gone. I see no virtue to them. I see Bernie Sanders listed as an Independent Socialist in the U.S. Congress. I see what Bernie Sanders has supported, starting with the war in Kosovo. And then I see Ron Paul, on the other hand, writing stuff against war which could have been written by Tom Hayden in 1967. I say what is the point of fooling around with the old categories? Bernie Sanders says he's an economic populist. What's he trying to do? He's trying to export the nuclear waste of the northeastern states to a poor Spanish community in Texas. And that effort was stopped by George W., figure that one out. Of course George W. had a Democratic opponent in Texas who was making a stink about it, so he wanted to outflank him, that's why he did it.
>From: "Michael Dawson -PSU" <mdawson at pdx.edu>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Lind
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:55:13 -0700
>
>I don't have a big problem with Cockburn running Lind's occasional piece.
>I
>don't have a problem with seeking out as much common ground as possible,
>either. Hell, everybody who's sane WANTS to be a conservative; it's just a
>question of whether you can sleep with yourself being one after you look
>out
>the window.
>
>Nevertheless, I don't buy one iota of the idea that "left versus right" has
>become meaningless. Cockburn is wrong on that, if he really means it.
>Sure, the left is tiny and mostly hidebound. Yes, decent folks have been
>selling out in droves. But that doesn't mean mean "left" is rendered
>meaningless. "Left" means opponents of the rule of profit. "Right" means
>proponents of the rule of profit. Quite simple, quite true,
>even/especially
>today.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph Wanzala" <jwanzala at hotmail.com>
>To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Lind
>
>
> > furthermore, this was not a right-left coalition - it was *beyond* those
> > static ideological categories that do not allow for the much more
>fungible
> > political reality. Thus, your channeling of Charles Brown seems quaint
>and
> > atavistic in the era of neo-liberalism and Third Way, where Tony Blair
>flows
> > effortlessly from a love affair with Clinton to Bush 43, and many
>leftists
> > of yesteryear have morphed into freemarketeers. Indeed, even the ANC
> > luminaries in South Africa (not even counting the nationalist
> > petty-bourgeoisie element) have now all become petty capitalists, if not
> > Thatcherites. You are fond of shoe-horning everything into your turgid
> > left-right framework, oblivious to actual ideological currents in the
>real
> > world that defy that old taxonomy.
> >
> > Joe W.
> >
> >
> > >From: Michael Pugliese <debsian at pacbell.net>
> > >Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > >To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > >Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Lind
> > >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > > Re: Serbian Unity Congress and others of that ilk.
> > >http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/muttamericabelgrade.htm
> > >"Mutt" America, The Religio-Racist Right, and Genocide
> > >in the Balkans
> > >SUC members gave Brian Becker of IAC/ANSWER/WWP checks
> > >for $10K during the wars in Bosnia. Same folks who had
> > >fundraisers for Buchanan.
> > >
> > > That conference was as craven an example of ,
> > >"tailing, " to use Trot jargon, by leftists who
> > >attended in a Right Opportunist, nationalist fashion,
> > >as when Norman Thomas and Earl Browder sat w/ fascist
> > >symp (see the new book on Henry Ford and Lindbergh)
> > >Charles Lindbergh on dais of the Keep America Out Of
> > >War Committee, w/ such dubious charcters as
> > >anti-semite Elizabeth Dilling (a source for Pat
> > >Robertson in his screeds on the NWO, as exposed by the
> > >other Lind, Michael in the NYRB) cheering them on, in
> > >the period just before the US entered WWII.
> > > Not, that I don't think as Dwight Macdonald during
> > >the war and others since (blanking on the name and
> > >author of a recent book Zinn blurbed contesting the
> > >history and morality of, "The Good War" and a book I
> > >just started, Century of War, " by Gabriel Kolko will
> > >provide much more to chew on, but, given the truly
> > >horrific menace of Hitlerite Fascism, presents a
> > >simple picture, but these Right-Left coalitions always
> > >give us the smelly end of the stick.
> > >Michael Pugliese channelling Charles Brown right after
> > >June 22, 1941.
> > >P.S. Wanzala, read the Right Woos Left doc by Chip. I
> > >know you know of it 'cuz Chip and Doug and I were on
> > >that wacky freepacifica list a while back w/ you and
> > >that truly kwazy Ken freeland figure that was exposed
> > >on the UfPJ lists as a Holocaust Denier using the
> > >IHR/JHR crap.
> > >
> > >http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports/muttamericabelgrade.htm
> > >Mutt" America, The Religio-Racist Right, and Genocide
> > >in the Balkans by Michael Sells, who has a new book
> > >contesting the Clash of Civilizations kulturkampf of
> > >Sam, "Strategic Hamlet, " Huntington
> > >
> > >
> > >
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