[lbo-talk] 'Democrazy'

Joseph Wanzala jwanzala at hotmail.com
Mon Oct 20 00:07:03 PDT 2003


Anyone following this thread is aware that I was posting the writing of Paul Treanor. You are rather disingenously weaving in a seperate and distinct issue that I have not raised in this thread. I have no idea how you made the connection between the writing of Paul Treanor and the 'left-right' issue let alone how this somehow vindicates Mr. Berlet's warnings. Whichever way you slice it, Democracy as we know it has to be seriously reviewed.

As Arundhati Roy has said elsewhere (this is a repeat postiing but you seem not to have noticed it):-

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0518-03.htm

"Democracy, the modern world's holy cow, is in crisis ... every kind of outrage is being committed in the name of democracy. It has become little more than a hollow word, a pretty shell, emptied of all content or meaning," she said.

"Democracy is the Free World's whore, willing to dress up, dress down, willing to satisfy a whole range of tastes, available to be used and abused at will."

Free elections, a free press and an independent judiciary mean little when the free market means they are on sale to the highest bidder, she said.


>From: Shane Taylor <s-t-t at juno.com>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] 'Democrazy'
>Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:30:25 -0500
>
>Joseph Wanzala wrote:
> > This concluding list summarises the arguments
> > given in all the other sections. Implicitly, they form
> > a program to abolish democracy. Why do that? To
> > start with, because it is time for a change. The western
> > democracies have been democratic, depending on
> > the definition, for 50 to 150 years, and most people
> > there have no experience of non-democracy.
> > Democracy should disappear, to facilitate the end of
> > global inequality, famine and avoidable disease, by
> > the introduction of global transfer taxes. The end of
> > democracy would end the legitimisation of the nation
> > state from democratic principles, and allow innovative
> > types of state to be formed. It would facilitate social
> > innovation, end conformist suit-and-tie societies,
> > and prevent the emergence of a uniform global society.
> > The construction of utopias and ideal cities (without
> > the consent of the people) requires the end of democracy.
> > Its abolition would also allow construction and
> > implementation of projects - especially infrastructural
> > projects - which are unpopular and uneconomic.
>
>Abolishing democracy to clear the way for more "innovative" states. If
>that is your offering of a move "beyond" left and right, it's a pretty
>clear example of why Chip's warnings are well grounded.
>
>-- Shane
>
>
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