[lbo-talk] Re: No evidence...

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Thu Sep 18 14:06:23 PDT 2003


Justin wrote:
>Apparently you lack the concept of procedural justice,

Blame Aristotle. No mention of "procedural justice" in Nichomachean Ethics V :)


>that is, the kind of justice where an outcome is
>rendered fair because fair procedures were followed,

Are you suggesting that an adversarial/advocacy system, in which the quality (or even existence) of the advocacy is a function of the wealth available to each of the parties, is not inherently and irremediably unfair?


>even if the outcome is wrong, i.e., based on a
>factually wrong premise. jks

Isn't the wrongness of an outcome defined by its factual wrongness as a *conclusion*, irrespective of the premises and deductions on which the outcome was based?

And, by the way, wasn't the fact that humans are wired for logic conclusively demonstrated by Plato at Meno 81C-84A?

Shane Mage

"When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true." (N. Weiner)


>--- Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> wrote:
>> >Justin writes:
>> >
>> >"We are obviously not wired for logic."
>>
>> At least not for the sort of logic that claims
>> a man innocent of murder but convicted
> > of murder was not *wrongfully* convicted.



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