Marx, Brenner, Technology (Was Re: [lbo-talk] preferences)

[Yoshie Furuhashi]

At 6:32 PM -0500 9/20/03, joand315 wrote:
>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
>>At 8:43 PM -0500 9/19/03, joand315 wrote:
>>
>>>>Workers' cooperatives don't take away incentives to save ones' 
>>>>own lives and families from a civil war or to emigrate to richer 
>>>>nations, though.
>
>>>Civil wars are more likely when much of the population is out of work.
>
>>We are thinking of a hypothetical but realistic transition from a 
>>capitalist society to a post-capitalist one (whether you call it 
>>socialist or anarchist or cooperativist or whatever).  Most likely, 
>>any such transition will involve much economic upheavals: capital 
>>flight, emigration of skilled labor, economic embargoes and/or 
>>military interventions by other capitalist powers (that are more 
>>powerful than the nation in the throes of transition, unless the 
>>transition in question happens in the USA), indigenous power elite 
>>of the ancient regime employing saboteurs, soldiers of fortune, 
>>etc. to overthrow those who overthrew them, etc., all tending to a 
>>civil war. How do LBO-talk technophiles handle desertion (from the 
>>military or factories or whatever that the new socialist government 
>>needs) in this context?
>
>In this context, Yoshie, don't you think desertions, mass 
>emigration, will benefit those who are left?

Desertion from the military of a new socialist government fighting 
against soldiers of the ancient regime in a civil war -- if the 
desertion is on a large scale -- causes defeat.  Defeat of the new 
socialist government leads to the return of the old ruling class and 
power elite, ready to round up and execute the defeated 
revolutionaries.

At 6:32 PM -0500 9/20/03, joand315 wrote:
>a newly formulated society won't be able to handle the entire 
>population that it has at the moment of disruption.

Especially if it loses much of skilled labor and unable to train 
workers in new skills quickly. . . .
-- 
Yoshie

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