<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ah yes, replies without substance are quite useful in discussion.  But then that's typical of these debates on Democrats since actually discussing the substance of how Congress works is just so boring and irrelevant to discussing power.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Far better to analyze polticians rhetoric, since left fundamentalists think words at rallies are all that are important.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-- Nathan Newman</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rhisiart@earthlink.net href="mailto:rhisiart@earthlink.net">R</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 31, 2003 1:05 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Daschle eats his words, and then some</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nathanne@nathannewman.org href="mailto:nathanne@nathannewman.org">Nathan Newman</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:23 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Daschle eats his words, and then some</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Largely because I disagree with your assessment of Daschle.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2>i didn't realize it was that simple.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>He's a piss-poor  public speaker but for two years, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2>and i always thought public speaking was his strong suit. </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>he's kept the Dems pretty solid in blocking a range of Bush legislation and judges.  With a not terrific hand, he's actually blocked quite a bit of the damage Bush has tried to do, from Sutton and Estrada to ANWR to the December Bush tax cut to the bankruptcy bill.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2>my goodness; his accomplishments pale beside his failures.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that's all pretty praisworthy in my book</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Georgia><FONT color=#008000 size=2>to quote groucho marx:   "from the time i picked up your book to the time i put it down, i was convulsed with laughter.  someday i intend reading it."</FONT></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the column, check out the Progressive Populist-- it runs twice a month at <A href="http://www.populist.com">www.populist.com</A> :)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2>thanks for the warning.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rhisiart@earthlink.net href="mailto:rhisiart@earthlink.net">R</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:57 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Daschle eats his words, and then some</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2>nathan, it's interesting how you continually put an intellectual face -- and rationale if one could call it that -- on incompetence, weakness, corruption, failure and stupidity.   you find "reason" where there is none.  strategy among the hopeless and confused.  and sense among the senseless.   you should be writing columns for a newspaper somewhere; an embedded journalist for the fools paradise set.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2>R</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nathanne@nathannewman.org href="mailto:nathanne@nathannewman.org">Nathan Newman</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lists.panix.com href="mailto:lbo-talk@lists.panix.com">lbo-talk@lists.panix.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:23 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Daschle eats his words, and then some</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "RE" <<A href="mailto:earnest@tallynet.com">earnest@tallynet.com</A>><BR><BR><BR>>But Daschle does seem to think that unless he apologizes he will be in<BR>>trouble, so he believes someone is paying attention.     It's just not<BR>clear<BR>>to me if he is being overwhelmed by public opinion's vagaries, or allowing<BR>>himself to be overwhelmed in a masochistic, stupefying gesture.   In that<BR>>respect I wish he'd just keep his mouth shut in the first place, rather<BR>than<BR>>say "Look at me, I'm powerful, and even I have to crumble and apologize."<BR><BR>Actually I think it was more strategic than that, laying the political<BR>marker that Bush had screwed up the diplomacy then signing off for the<BR>duration.  And he never apologized for the analysis, only for the timing--<BR>which in many ways is a great way to appear to apologize while not<BR>withdrawing the substance of the criticism.  When things go bad, despite<BR>official Dem support for the troops, the GOP won't be able to then say that<BR>it was really a bipartisan position.<BR><BR>Daschle and the Dems are trying to have their cake (criticize Bush) and eat<BR>it too (appear supportive of the troops). There may be better strategic ways<BR>to do it, but I think people are overemphasizing the apology and not enought<BR>the substance of the criticism.<BR><BR>-- Nathan<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>