<HTML> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> From: andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com> As I said. Some people believe that History, no doubt through the operation of Economics, notably class interests (but not, apparently class _consciousness_, which is psychological) directly operates on historical agencies -- classes, states (heaven forbid, not on individuals; they're epiphenomenal too), and any accompanying believes and desires are just the siren on the steam engine. jks ^^^^^^^^ CB: No, social facts _do_ cause individual acts, in this way of thinking about it. The human individual is a social individual. The five senses , let alone individual beliefs and desires , are the product of all human history ( history is social). </BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML>