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<div>Justin;</div>
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<div>You're right that the colonial status of Hawaii doesn't
affect</div>
<div>the "just war" nature of an international attack
against</div>
<div>a nation's armed forces. But you're wrong that "Pearl
Harbor"</div>
<div>made WW II in the Pacific anything but an imperialist</div>
<div>slaughter on both sides. "Pearl Harbor" was the
result</div>
<div>of a deliberate, long-planned provocation: the
Japanese</div>
<div>Empire was directly told that responding to the US oil</div>
<div>embargo by invading the Dutch colonies would be met with</div>
<div>a US attack, and the Pearl Harbor base was deliberately
left</div>
<div>open to attack. It was a "preemptive" attack in
the most</div>
<div>precise and "justified" sense. But it was a
deadly trap</div>
<div>because you're also wrong that it didn't come close to</div>
<div>"destroy the US Pacific fleet" there. The only
important</div>
<div>part of the US Pacific Fleet, the Aircraft Carriers, were</div>
<div>carefully sent away from Pearl Harbor. Only obsolete</div>
<div>battleships were lost and a priceless atmosphere of
national</div>
<div>racialist hysteria was gained.</div>
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<div>Shane Mage<br>
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"Thunderbolt steers all
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<div>Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Hawaii wasn't a state then, but I don't
grasp your point. That made it OK for the Japanese to attack and
destroy the US Pacific fleet there? I laos dpon't get the "only
43 years" rule. How long does a natioon have to administer a
territory to have a claim on it for just war purposes in your book? Do
new nations have no such claims for J.W. purposes? The fact is,
attacking somebody's fleet on their territory (or indeed, off it)
is universally acknowledged to be an act of war. jks</blockquote>
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<i><b>LouPaulsen <LouPaulsen@attbi.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "andie nachgeborenen"<br>
> The war against Japan was an imperialist war plain and simple,
between two<br>
imperiali powers; although the US was justified in defending itself on
the<br>
usual just war grounds, [...]<br>
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What, because of Pearl Harbor? That wasn't an attack on 'the US
itself'.<br>
It was an attack on a US base in occupied Hawaii, which the US had
conquered<br>
only 43 years earlier.<br>
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lp<br>
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