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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who said anything about violent overthrow of the
government? The Cuban dissidents involved in these trials specifically
supported political overthrow of the system-- that was the point of the Verela
petition and movement.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The morphing of accusations against the Cubans
involved is exactly the kind of rhetoric that McCarthy used. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why is it so hard for people just to say, Castro is
engaging in human rights violations of a high order here. He is executing
people and imprisoning non-violent dissidents. Whether you agree with the
"timing" of the petition against those acts, the refusal of people to just call
a human rights violation a human rights violation is exactly the
problem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And why I'm doubly glad I signed the petition and
hope many leftists follow suit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-- Nathan Newman</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com
href="mailto:andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com">andie nachgeborenen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org
href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [lbo-talk] Cuba
petition</DIV>
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<DIV>The CPUSA never wavered in its official view (from 1936 on) that it was
seeking change by peaceful electoral means. It predicted fascist dictatorship
during the McCarthy period, and asserted the right of revolution in the face
of fascism, but it did not take an RCP like position that violent overthrow
was its strategy. And while the CPUSA took money from the Soviets, who, btw,
did not use the specific language of peaceful coexistence during the Pop Front
Era, neither did the Soviet Union ever _officially_ adopt as its goal (at
least after Lenin's death) the violent overthrow of the US govt; the chill of
the Cold War period was, like the CPUSA's, due a prediction that US woquld
initiate conflict, not to am unrealistic long or short term aspiration to
overthrow it. You cold wat liberals buy all the old anticommunist myths --
Reds under the Bed, seeking to Overthrow Our way of Life and make us all learn
the Cyrillic alphabet. You'd think people would know better by now. jk!
s<BR><BR><B><I>Nathan Newman <nathanne@nathannewman.org></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, to get the facts correct-- the
coexistence language was abandoned after Browder until Krushchev and it was
that period that coincided with the height of McCarthyism.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And the folks being imprisoned in Cuba are
themselves officially committed to working within the Cuban system and
changing things politically. Most are associated with the grassroots
Varela petition project.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So again, there is no condition in that regard
that is really different about the CPUSA in the early 1950s and the Cuban
dissidents presently being jailed in Cuba.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-- Nathan Newman</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com
href="mailto:andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com">andie nachgeborenen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org
href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 15, 2003 3:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [lbo-talk] Cuba
petition</DIV>
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<DIV>Actually, oddicially, the USSR had abandoned the goal of ovethrowing
the US system under Khrushchev. The watchword was "peaceful coexistence."
The CPUSA was (whatever some its members may have privately hoped)
officially committed to peaceful change through electoral means
(Practically speaking it was (since 1936 or so) and is entirely under the
wing of the Democratic Party.) You cold war liberals never get even
the basic facts right. jks<BR><BR><B><I>Luke Weiger
<lweiger@umich.edu></I></B> wrote:
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Officially, the Soviet Union was trying to overthrow the US system,
which<BR>is<BR>> one reason they were funding the CPUSA. Everything
people say seems to be<BR>> supporting McCarthy in his
arguments.<BR>><BR>> -- Nathan Newman<BR><BR>The only difference
is the likelihood that the government in question might<BR>be
overthrown.<BR><BR>--
Luke<BR><BR>___________________________________<BR>http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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