<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=BrownBingb@aol.com href="mailto:BrownBingb@aol.com">BrownBingb@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 18, 2003 1:37 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [lbo-talk] progress!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE"> <DIV>Two quotes from Rudolf Rocker are, I think, germane to the comments by<BR>Glasser and Lieberman:<BR><BR>"Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are rather forced<BR>upon them from without.  And even their enactment into law has for a long<BR>time been no guarantee of their security.  They do not exist because they<BR>have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have<BR>become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them<BR>will meet with the violent resistance of the populace."<BR><BR>&<BR><BR>"All the political rights and liberties which people enjoy today, they do<BR>not owe to the good-will of their governments, but to their own<BR>strength.... Great mass movements and whole revolutions have been<BR>necessary to wrest these liberties from the ruling classes, who would<BR>never have consented to them voluntarily. What is important is not that<BR>have government have decided to concede these rights, but why they had to<BR>do so."<BR><BR>Brian<BR><BR>CB: As some former slave said , based on personal experience ," power concedes nothing without a demand; never has ; never will. ( and "no progress without struggle")" </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000>frederick douglass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia><FONT color=#008000><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000><A href="http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Douglass/Autobiography/">http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Douglass/Autobiography/</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia><FONT color=#008000><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000>a lot more than "some former slave."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia><FONT color=#008000><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000>"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out<BR>the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon<BR>them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either<BR>words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by<BR>the endurance of those whom they oppress."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia color=#008000>"Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.... "<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Until the abolition of classes,  once conceded, the ruling classes will forever </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">conspire (theoretically and practically) to take rights back. As some ole white guy said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>