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size=2>-----Mensagem original-----<BR><B>De:</B> lbo-talk-admin@lbo-talk.org
[mailto:lbo-talk-admin@lbo-talk.org]<B>Em nome de </B>andie
nachgeborenen<BR><B>Enviada em:</B> domingo, 20 de abril de 2003
22:01<BR><B>Para:</B> lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org<BR><B>Assunto:</B> Re: [lbo-talk]
Gulag query<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I think the estimates for collectization deaths run up to 8 million. I am
not sure what exacttly Brad's point is, but the fact is that on the best
evidence we now have (1) the toll of imprisonment and death of innocent
people during the Stalin Terror was unacceptably high, and (2) was much, much
lower than the standard guesstimates made before the archive were opened (20
million dead according to Conquest, 35 million according to Pipes, 50 million
according to Solzhenitsyn, and indeed 10-15 million according to Medvedev).
That does not make Stalinism OK. jks<BR><BR><SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=320245613-21042003><FONT face=Arial size=2>-A question. How
the casualties #īs in the 30īs are calculated? I donīt rely anymore
on raw demographic data</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=320245613-21042003><FONT face=Arial size=2>-(the 17 million
people missing in the 1937 census) as a measure of excesses deaths,
since I used the same</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=320245613-21042003><FONT face=Arial size=2>-method for US in
the 30īs, which gave a result of 11 million people "missing" (of course
there was no mass </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=320245613-21042003><FONT face=Arial size=2>-murder in the USA
in the 30īs, but this number is a good example on how unreliable those
kind of estimates</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=320245613-21042003><FONT face=Arial
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