<HTML> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> No- part of the argument is over whether the Soviet Union and Stalinism even constitutes "Marxism" and an attempt to distinguish between those claiming that such is necessary to socialist history and those who see it as a betrayal of the working class. -- Nathan newman ^^^^^^^ CB: I assume then that those who argue the SU wasn't practice of Marxism hold that Marxism has never been practiced or actualized. This then raises a new problem, an especially serious one for Marxism, because Marx emphasized changing the world not just interpreting it.  If Marxism has never come into the world , is it a pipe dream , unrealistic, contemplative and not practical-critical ? What do you make of the fact that it was Marx who formulated the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat ? Are you sure you are not putting a liberal gloss on Marx ?</BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML>