<DIV>Well, we're also not a slaveowning direct democracy of a few tens of thousands of citizens that fights with bronze armor, triremes, and spears. So is it a bad and lazy habit to refer (as Joanna, Shane M, and I do now and then) to the Greeks? What's the cutoff, hmm? Doug Henwood <dhenwood@panix.com> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Yeah, I know about the injuries of class. But the U.S. in 2003 is not a peasant society, has no active Communist Party sponsoring meetings, and is characterized by the willingness of people to go on TV and talk about how their grandmother likes having sex with horses, but not about their class position. It's a bad and lazy habit to cite moments from the revolutionary past like this. Doug andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Ummm, then read Sennett's The Hidden Injuries of Class, now 30 years >old, but still recognizable. I think there's actually a lot to be >learned from Fanshen, or even older stuff. I'm reading Thucydides >now, and finding it very much on point. jks > >Doug Henwood <DHENWOOD@PANIX.COM>wrote: > >Carrol Cox wrote: > >>I would suggest as a tonic here the chapters in _Fanshen_ in which >>Hinton details the frustration felt by the CPC group in Longbow at their >>inability to get any of the peasants to stand up in an open meeting and >>give evidence of the injuries they had suffered. > >And how is that relevant to life in the United States in 2003? > >Doug >___________________________________ >http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk > > >Do you Yahoo!? ><HTTP: search search.yahoo.com *http: mailsig us.rd.yahoo.com>The >New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ___________________________________ http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><hr SIZE=1> Do you Yahoo!? <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.com">The New Yahoo! Search</a> - Faster. Easier. Bingo.