<DIV>The 4 mil figure includfes Laos and Cambodia.I've seen it in various places -- including the NYT! The 5 mil figure for the Holocaust is what Hilberg says, and he's very careful, but it's hardly a settled fact .jks<BR><BR><B><I>Michael Pugliese <debsian@pacbell.net></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT), andie nachgeborenen <BR><ANDIE_NACHGEBORENEN@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>The US killed 4 million<BR>> people in Indochina in the Vietnam war,--<BR><BR>I've always heard and read it was 2.8 million.<BR>And, btw, it was closer to 5.1 million not 6 million Jews killed by the <BR>Nazis. As a list body counter, have to present more accurate figures.<BR><BR>Ref. for Chris. J. Arch Getty, Gábor T. Rittersporn, and Viktor N. <BR>Zemskov, "Victims of the Soviet Penal System in the Pre-war Years: A First <BR>Approach on the Basis of Archival Evidence", American Historical Review 98 <BR>(December, 1993), 1017-49; R.W. Davies, "Forced Labour Under Stalin: The <BR>Archive Revelations", New Left Review, 214 (November-December 1995), 62-80.<BR><BR>http://www.swan.ac.uk/history/teaching/teaching%20resources/Stalin's%20Russia,%20Stalin's%20Russians%201929- <BR>1953/thematic%20reading%20list.htm<BR>R. W. Davies, M. B. Tauger, S. G. Wheatcroft, "Stalin, Grain Stocks and <BR>the Famine of 1932-1933," Slavic Review, vol. 54, no. 3 (1995): 642-57.<BR>Steven Rosefielde, "An Assessment of the Sources and Uses of Gulag <BR>Forced Labour," Soviet Studies, vol. 33 (1981).<BR>Steve Wheatcroft, "New Demographic Evidence in Collectivization Deaths", <BR>Slavic Review, v. 44, no. 3, (1985)<BR><BR>-------, "More Light on the Scale of Repression and Excess Mortality in the <BR>Soviet Union in the 1930s," Soviet Studies, vol. 42, no. 2 (1990)<BR><BR>Alec Nove, "How Many Victims in the 1930s?" Soviet Studies, vol. 42, no. 2 <BR>(1990)<BR><BR><BR><BR>___________________________________<BR>http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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