<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"></style><title>Re: [lbo-talk] Genocide, Holocaust</title></head><body> <div>At 3:06 PM +0800 2/6/03, Grant Lee wrote:<br> <br> >To rephrase the main points of my last post: (1) To<br> >define genocide as broadly as the UN does weakens its power as a concept<br> <br> To define genocide as broadly as you assert it does, the UN would<br> indeed fatally weaken the concept. But as I have shown and as anyone<br> with the ability to comprehend a sentence would see, your assertion<br> that the UN defines it so broadly is ridiculous and dishonest.<br> <br> >and<br> >(2) In my opinion, the _main_ motivation for the "Stolen Generations" was<br> >not racism but the training of obedient and "productive" labour.<br> <br> You are entitled to that opinion, you are entitled to dispute the</div> <div>assertion that taking Aboriginal children away from their parents</div> <div>was motivated by genocidal intent. It is after all a matter of</div> <div>judgement. I respectfully differ with you on that. But trying to<br> muddy the water by dishonestly misrepresenting the official<br> definition of genocide, doesn't deserve any respect, because it doesn't</div> <div>treat the intelligence of others with respect.</div> <div><br> >This, of course, will not make any difference to your thinking because, as<br> >usual, you've already made up your mind, based on an intensive reading over<br> >many years of  The Launceston Examiner, the flagships of Kerry Packer's<br> >newspaper empire and very little else, judging by the hot air and wind<br> >component in your posts to this list.<br> <br> I see that you are angry that I have called you on your dishonesty.<br> That is understandable, but what you have to understand is that I get<br> just as angry about being treated like a fool.<br> <br> I rarely read the Launceston Examiner BTW, which I think you will</div> <div>find is not in the Packer stable at all, but is owned by Rural</div> <div>Press Limited. The trouble with the Examiner though, is that it<br> operates under the delusion that it can charge people a subscription<br> fee to access its online version. Since I can access the major<br> newspapers of Australia, not to mention the great newspapers of<br> world, without charge, I an not inclined to start paying to access<br> this petty little publication. I do buy it once a week for the TV<br> guide though, just out of habit.<br> <br> Bill Bartlett<br> Bracknell Tas<br> <br> <br> Background:<br> </div> <div><b>Rural Press Limited</b> (Chairman, Mr John B. Fairfax) publishes over 150<br> regional newspapers and magazines, including the Canberra Times. It<br> has 14.9 per cent of the circulation of daily regional newspapers.<br> The company also controls five radio licences in South Australia and<br> Star FM in Ipswich, Queensland. The largest shareholder is Marinya<br> Media, the private company of John B. and Tim Fairfax.<br> </div> <div><b>Publishing and Broadcasting Limited</b> (Chairman, Mr James Packer) is an<br> Australian media and entertainment company which owns the Nine<br> Network and the magazine publisher, Australian Consolidated Press.<br> <br> PBL controls three metropolitan and one regional television licences,<br> giving it a reach of 51.5 per cent of the potential audience.<br> <br> In pay TV, it has a 25 per cent interest in Foxtel and a 33 per cent<br> stake in Sky News.<br> <br> It publishes over 65 magazines and its share of the circulation of<br> the top thirty Australian magazines is 41.5 per cent.<br> <br> It has a joint online venture (ninemsn) with Microsoft Corporation.<br> The largest shareholder in PBL is Consolidated Press Holdings (Mr<br> Kerry Packer).<br> </div> <div><b>John Fairfax Holdings Ltd</b>  (Chairman, Mr Brian Powers) is an<br> Australian publishing group. Major shareholders include Bankers Trust<br> Australia Ltd (8 per cent) and Tyndall Australia Ltd (10 per cent).<br> The latter two companies have their voting power limited to five per<br> cent under foreign investment policy. The Treasurer has issued a<br> press release on this matter. Fairfax has also been the subject of<br> two ABA investigations with regard to its relationship with Mr Kerry<br> Packer. In July 2001 Mr Packer's CPH Investment Corporation<br> (formerly the FXF Trust) sold its 14.9 per cent share in Fairfax for<br> $436 million. The buyers were said to be wide range of institutions,<br> of which around 65 per cent were locally based. Fairfax newspapers</div> <div>have the following circulation shares:<br> <br> 21.4 per cent of the capital city and national newspaper market;<br> <br> 22.8 per cent of the Sunday newspaper market;<br> <br> 18.1 per cent of the suburban newspaper market;<br> <br> 15.4 per cent of the regional newspaper market.<br> <br>    Other Fairfax interests are AAP Information Services (jointly<br> controlled with News Ltd), three magazines, and the Fairfax<br> Interactive Network (online).<br> <br> Source:<br> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cache:yvf0tNEZsz4J:infocom.cqu.edu.<span ></span >au/Courses/2002/T2/JOUR11005/Updates/ownership.doc+rural+press&h<span ></span>l=en&ie=UTF-8<br> </div> </body> </html>