We could talk about sport instead if you like. Been watching the Olympics have you?
Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas
At 8:25 PM -0700 23/8/04, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
>OK, we live in a fascist dictaorship, writhing under the iron heel.
>Now that I have admitted it, will you give the point a rest? It's
>tiresome. jks
>
>
>It seems that the US ceased being a free country a long time ago. It
>still retains it as a concept, kept alive in fictional TV dramas, but
>in the real world it is no longer practised.
>
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plea/etc/script.html
>
>FRONTLINE
>The Plea
>Written, Produced and Directed by Ofra Bikel
>
>
>"...CHARLES GAMPERO, Sr.: He told me point blank, told me and my
>ex-wife, he said, "If I-- I will give your son 25 to life, so you
>better take the plea. Or if you don't take the plea, he's getting it."
>
>NARRATOR: According to Professor Green, these kinds of threats are
>constitutional and legal.
>
>BRUCE GREEN, Prof of Law and Ethics, Fordham U: Some years ago, a
>defendant argued to the Supreme Court it's inherently coercive if the
>prosecutor says to me, "You can plead guilty and get 3 years in jail.
>Otherwise, you can go to trial and have all your trial rights, but if
>you're convicted, you ! face 30 years in jail." That sounds like
>coercion. And to you and me and most ordinary people, that sounds
>pretty coercive. But under the Constitution, that's not considered
>coercive. And so if you plead guilty with-- in order to avoid an
>infinitely harsher sentence, that's considered a voluntary plea."
>
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