[lbo-talk] Why Progressives Must Embrace the Ukrainian Pro-Democracy Movement By Stephen Zunes

amadeus amadeus amadeus482000 at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 27 11:33:06 PST 2004


Chris, A couple questions. Are you really saying that the US has no geopolitical interests in the region? Is it not fathomable that the US attempts to install, influence, and/or support various regimes in the CIS as elsewhere, even if this leads to perennial breakdown of confidence in "our bastards" (like Iraq, the Shah, every 2.5 years or so in Haiti,...). Is the CIS really different from the rest of the world in this regard?

I certainly am in agreement with you about the chauvinism of the Western-- and particularly the US-- media. However, does this state-friendly sense of entitlement come down on chariots from Heaven, or could it possibly have a root in the material basis in the global hegemony of US capitalism? Are you saying that global capitalism, under the guise of the "free market" has no desire to consolidate and expand wherever it can and by whatever means it can get away with?

The US media has its financial basis in its corporate advertisers, and, ultimately, in the capitalist class itself. They report accordingly. If US capitalists had no interest in the Ukraine, we would not continue to see these articles in the A section, let alone above-the-fold. Would the average US citizen even be able to pick out Vietnam, Iraq, Ukraine on a map if it wasn't for the business elite? Would we even know that those words referred to countries?

The axiomatic assumption should be that everything is not "about the West." The reality in a world where the US has geopolitical and military dominance, is that if you stick a gun to someone's head and say, "Is everything about us?", the victim will reply in the affirmative.

--adx --- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


>
> --- amadeus amadeus <amadeus482000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeeeeeeee-HAW! Black Sea here we come! Whoop!
> > Whoop!
> > $.99.99/gallon baby!
> >
>
> (rolls eyes)
>
> I have said this a billion times. This is not about
> geopolitics. This is about the Western media
> interpreting everything about being about the West.
>
> Anybody who has been following the CIS for any
> length
> of time has seen this story played out a million
> times. Every political conflict, down to the city
> level (!), is interpreted by the Western media as
> being about bring about a pro-Western outsider vs. a
> corrupt anti-Western incumbent. In a few years, when
> it becomes clear that the new leader cannot be
> "pro-Western" (whatever that means), because it's
> objectively impossible, and when the corruption in
> the
> regime becomes obvious, as it inevitably does since
> it's part of the political culture in the CIS, the
> former outsider begins to take on the role of the
> corrupt incumbent, and a new "pro-Western" outsider
> appears. This is exactly what happened to
> Shevardnadze
> and Kuchma. Curiously, Shevy was getting portrayed
> as
> pro-Russian in the US media at the same time as the
> Russian media were painting him as fanatically
> anti-Russian.
>
> =====
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>
>
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