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You want to play this dame, central planning brought us the gulag, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, etc.
^^^ CB: This is pathetic anti-communism. There has been _more_ historical tyranny under markets than centralized planning. WWI was under markets. The Nazis were under markets. The genocidal usurpation of the Western Hemisphere was under markets. The African slave trade was under markets. All of capitalist colonialism, the entire primitive accumulation was under markets. In fact and history, market tyranny is many times greater than centralized planning tyranny. You argue with your eyes closed to most of the history of tyranny over the last 500 years.
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It's pointless, Charles, yoiu've made your choice: you want universal poverty with a low but solid floor and generalized repression.
^^^^ CB: This is obvious slander. What I want is universal wealth and generalized freedom. You must want repression, because the history of markets is the greatest repression in the history of humanity, and you want markets. The repression under communism over 70 years is miniscule compared to the repression of the market through 300 years. Right now the market is carrying out repression and enforcing poverty in Iraq, bold as day. Tomorrow where will it be ? You fall into amnesia about 80% of history in order to make the patently false claim that centralized planning has been associated with more repression than markets.
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I'd like generalized prosperity and liberty, I don't see how to get this without markets.
^^^^^ CB: What history shows is we don't know how to get those _with_ markets. In general, this market-ruled world is poor, not prosperous. Markets have had their chance to do it and failed. It's time to try something else.
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But you pretend I favor capitalism.
^^^^^^ CB: You pretend there is something to the market information circulation system without profitseeking capitalists. U push Utopian marketeering. You have articulated no feasible way to purge the price mechanism of its private property or capitalizing.
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You kind of overlook the fact that one point on which we agree is the abolition of private property. So, if you don't want to get stuck with the cellars of the Lubyanka -- you don't, do you? -- then spare me the Irish potato famine.
^^^^^^ CB: The market _is_ a form of private property. No private property, no market.
If you don't want to get stuck with the Gestapoo ,the KKK and the Marines - you don't do you ? - give up on markets.
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Btw the atom bomb was triumph of government planning.
^^^^^^^ CB: Btw , it was a state serving a market, not a centrally planned economy. There are no markets without a state defending the interests of the marketeers.
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