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Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas
At 5:15 AM -0800 10/2/04, Christine Churchill Kenneth wrote:
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>Bill Bartlett <billbartlett at dodo.com.au> wrote:
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>At 10:42 AM +0200 10/2/04, Tahir Wood wrote:
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>>Bill, this would not be 100% correct either - there certainly was a
>>measure of capitalist development despite the predominance of feudal
>>relations in the countryside. In other words Russia was in a
>>transitionary phase and this was reflected in the absolutist form of
>>the state,
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>Yes, I concede that it was semi-feudal rather than purely feudal. But
>Russia can be conveniently classified as feudal in the sense that the
>ruling class was distinctly the feudal aristocracy rather than the
>emerging capitalist class. The existence of isolated capitalist
>development doesn't detract from this fact, it was an absolutist
>state in the form of an absolute monarchy.
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>> as in a number of other countries, including other East European
>>countries, as well as Germany t! o some extent. BTW we should not
>>forget also that it was not only 'communism' that provided the
>>impetus to completing this transition. Franco's project was
>>identical and it is not inconceivable that he did it as well or
>>better than communists in Spain would have done. So there were
>>certainly alternatives to the bourgeois republic as a political form
>>of modernisation.
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>The alternatives all seem strikingly similar. Franco, Stalin,
>Bonaparte, Mao, Cromwell, etc. The transition from feudalism to
>capitalism seems to be universally accomplished by absolute military
>dictatorship.
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>But these dictatorships shouldn't be confused with the form of
>absolute rule by the feudal ruling class that it replaces. The rule
>of Tsar Nicholas II clearly did not represent a "transitionary phase"
>from feudalism. This was a conservative rule, representing the
>interests of the old ruling class.
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>Lenin's (and later S! talin's) government was revolutionary in nature,
>its historic mission was the transition from feudalism to capitalism.
>So my point remains, I agree that Stalin's rule was a (long)
>transition to capitalism, but your assertion that it was a transition
>"from one stage of capitalism to another" appears to be at odds with
>the fact that Russia wasn't capitalist to begin with. (If you
>continue to assert it was already capitalist, when did the transition
>to capitalist rule take place?)
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>It is also at odds with logic in that it is essentially asserting
>that the transition was from capitalism to capitalism. Which wouldn't
>be a transition at all of course, yet most surely some form of
>transition took place.
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>I don't understand why people refuse to face the facts on this issue.
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>Bill Bartlett
>Bracknell Tas
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