At 02:55 PM 2/12/2004, you wrote:
> > You're so funny, Carrol. I'm going to read you as a performance
> > artist from now on, a parody of an armchair curmudgeon. You should
> > have a cable access show.
> >
> > Doug
>
>Actually, this whole thread has been a sidesplitter from the get-go. We have
>Carrol, whose posts go something like:
>
>I'm not sure what this "we" is "you" refer to. There's "me" and there's
>"you." There's "that guy other there" and there's "see that woman down by
>the coffee filters?" But "we"? This is the type of empty armchair rhetoric
>that "I" would expect from a first year student from the suburbs. And "s/he"
>would receive a bad grade and a stern lecture from "me," that I can assure
>"you." As for "us" and the rest of "you," "I" can offer merely a
>disapproving tone and a head shake at "my" screen.
>
>Oh, yes. The Iraqis should kill each other and get it over with. As Milton
>was fond of saying, "Fuck them."
>
>And then Yoshie:
>
>Educated Western progressives have no business telling the Iraqi resistance
>what to do. It's their problem, not ours, even though we're paying for it.
>Only until we establish a well disciplined union or social movement
>organized around the struggles of the working class and the crushed peoples
>of colors of the developing world can we really say something that matters.
>First there should be a straw poll, then some workshopping with the results
>of the poll. Then a floor vote followed by debates dealing with the final
>tally. Then a show of hands followed by apple juice and cookies. And even
>then it's not our call.
>
>There's a fine film playing at campuses nationwide that deals with this
>problem, "The Vistas of Political Options and the Struggles That Make A
>Movement" (2003, Force Fed Films, Kanyatta Person, director), and it is a
>perfect device to provoke the type of long, drawn out discussions and
>countless votes and tallies that are necessary to form a collective opinion
>that should remain to ourselves.
>
>And, finally, Steve Philion:
>
> ---- oooooh, yeah, just like those stories about how saddam "killed" all
>those shias . . .oooh, i'm sooooooooo scared of the ba'athists! ooooohhhhh
>they're coming to get me!
>
>----- another 47 iraqis blown up. wow man! that's great! that'll show those
>warmongers like hitchens! the antiwar movement has to recognize the
>potential here to organize around all those dead bodies. wait a sec . . . .
>the imperialist stooges at cnn just reported that another 32 iraqis, mostly
>women and children, were killed in a bomb blast in baghdad today. whoooo! my
>head's spinning! this is too good to keep! gotta post this over at maxspeak!
>
>Yes, Doug. Performance artists indeed.
>
>DP
>
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