[lbo-talk] Vietnamese Leninism (was re Eyewitness in Tikrit)

dredmond at efn.org dredmond at efn.org
Wed Jan 7 20:16:43 PST 2004


Quoting Grant Lee <grantlee at iinet.net.au>:


> but there is no way anyone can justify calling postwar Japan and
> S.Korea "socialist", as there was little public ownership of the means of
> production in either case (unlike say the UK, prior to the 1980s).

I'm not sure why you think Hardt & Negri are anti-socialist; I'd argue they're calling for an Information Age reinvention of socialism. But socialism isn't the same thing as state ownership. Japan's keiretsu (and to a lesser extent, South Korea's chaebol) did indeed practice a covert, sneaky socialism, in the sense that they privileged market share, an egalitarian distribution of income and industrial skills over short-term profitability.

-- DRR



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