[lbo-talk] This is WAR, sons!

joanna bujes jbujes at covad.net
Tue Jul 6 15:26:40 PDT 2004


Fascinated at the moment by the notion of (religious) terrorism as a form of (religious) humility/self-abnegation that is a means of undoing humiliation.

Joanna

Jeffrey Fisher wrote:


>
> On Jul 6, 2004, at 4:23 PM, snit snat wrote:
>
>> Stern argues that what draws terrorists to the organization is shame
>> and humiliation. (Which reminds me: Riverbend, herself, argued that
>> sexualized torture was the most humiliating thing that could happen
>> to Iraqis. hmmmm. :)
>>
>> Also, Doug forwarded this piece by Stern from the FT:
>>
>> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20040607/
>> 012776.html
>>
>
> i read this piece and recall thinking she had something going. but
> shame and humiliation, helplessness generally, often drives people to
> religion, not just terrorism. in the case of "muslim terrorism",
> religion provides the coherent world-framework within which a war
> against the west and its "values" (whether expressed by westerners or
> not) becomes important and, more importantly, reasonable. much like
> with christian terrorists.
>
> even when the organization becomes more complicated, the religious
> aspect is still core to the sense of identity. that is, they still
> *think* they're just being good muslims/christians/revolutionaries,
> no? even if the org takes on a life of its own, doesn't it recruit
> and propagandize according to that core ideology? indeed, it's when
> the recruit has given him/herself over to the faith that they will
> do whatever it takes to fulfill it.
>
> right?
>
> j
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