[lbo-talk] Americas Vichy Left vs. Michael Moore

Carl Remick carlremick at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 13 11:36:36 PDT 2004



>From: snit snat <snitilicious at tampabay.rr.com>
>
>erm, this exchange has confused me somewhat. at first, i couldn't tell what
>you were saying, Carl. Do you mean that the eXile crew isn't such a great
>friend Moore? Or, were you saying that the eXile piece described a bunch of
>lefties who weren't such great friends to Moore?
>
>I think everyone thought you were criticizing the eXile writer for using
>the phrase "whiny fags."
>
>BUt, you answer below, doesn't address that and I'm THOROUGHLY confused.

I believe Lenin said overposting rules are like pie crust, made to be broken. And in this instance I have to agree with him. To clear up this muddle before putting on the Cone of Silence for today, let me sum up as follows:

1. I object to the eXile writer's use of the phrase "whiny fags."

2. I object to the general campaign to vilify leftists who find any fault at all with F911. I do not believe such critics are invariably motivated by one-upmanship (which, admittedly, is one of the left's most enduring, least attractive, features). I think F911's failure to mention Israel's interest in promoting a US war on Iraq is a glaring lacuna in the film that does the left no good at all.

Carl


>At 01:40 PM 7/13/2004, Carl Remick wrote:
>
>
>>>>>He has single-handedly managed to turn the Right-Wing
>>>>>brutocracy into a pack of whiny fags ...
>>>>
>>>>Yikes. A real gem for the With-Friends-Like-This-Who-Needs-Enemies
>>>>Collection.
>>>
>>>How like one of those hyperpure lefties Ames is skewering!
>>
>>Golly, I usually feel like a sellout. How flattering to be raised to the
>>ranks of the left's hyperpure! However, Doug, it would seem you're
>>ensnared in one of those false binaries you warn about -- i.e., that one
>>is either (a) completely for Moore or (b) completely against him.
>>
>>With my fondness for living life on the edge, I believe a more complex
>>position can be maintained. Thus:
>>
>>* On the one hand, I think Moore is an outstanding filmmaker. My initial
>>remark about F911 was: "Nobody connects the dots like Moore does or puts
>>more torque on a heartwrenching scene. A film for now and the ages."
>>
>>* On the other hand, I don't think Moore is perfect. There is no
>>question his movie should have included that mother-of-all-dots, Israel.
>>(I hope Moore's forthcoming film on the US healthcare crisis gets around
>>to mentioning, say, the insurance companies.)
>>
>>Carl
>>
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