[lbo-talk] Americas Vichy Left vs. Michael Moore

joanna bujes jbujes at covad.net
Tue Jul 13 17:27:00 PDT 2004


Yes, but...they didn't attack Erenreich; they didn't attack Doug. I think it's worse than that. I think what they really hate Moore for is that he's a working class figure and doesn't aspire to be anything more (symbolically) -- West-side digs notwithstanding. He's not an elitist; he actually argues that the working class -- just as crude/uneducated/plain-speaking/stereotyped as it is today -- has a right to a decent life and to a say. One of the things I liked about the movie is that Laila Lipscomb had dignity, was articulate, clear, and reasonable. This is true for a lot of the working class people Moore puts in his movies. And it's very rare these days to see a working class person who is not used in the media for basic purposes of ridicule and humiliation.

I'm also disgusted with the comments on Moore's size. What the fuck is that about? If you're not fashionably slim, your work/opinion are suspect? Only the beautiful deserve to live? Christ!

Joanna

Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:


>Chris Doss quoted:
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>>In fact, the main cause for the demise of the American
>>Left is much more sinister than that. The American
>>Left is responsible for destroying the American Left.
>>I don't mean that metaphorically. I mean quite
>>literally that anytime the Left starts to get
>>somewhere, you can be sure that a vigilante mob of
>>other Leftists will rise to the occasion to crush it,
>>to make sure they stay as marginalized and ineffective
>>as always. It's a kind of ghetto envy endemic to the
>>Left - the Right is always rooting for its heroes to
>>succeed. Not the Left. The key for them is to sound
>>Virtuous - and oftentimes that means eating their own
>>in order to promote themselves.
>>
>>
>
>Good observation, but I think the phenomenon is not limited to the Left
>- and has a simple explanation if Left (and other) political writing is
>conceptualized as peddling intellectual commodity.
>
>In most market situation, the competition takes place among individuals
>occupying the same market niche, not different niches. For example, the
>owner of a small coffee shop competes with owners of similar
>establishments in the area, not with grocery or hardware retail chains.
>Thus, that particular owner may be kvetching about a Wal-mart or a Home
>Despot behemoths being built in the neighborhood - but mainly because
>that is what her coffee sipping customers like to hear. But a Wal-mart
>or a Home Despot outlet does not really affect her business that much -
>and may even have a beneficial effect by attracting new potential
>customers to the area.
>
>However, the owner of that coffe shop would be all up in her arms if a
>similar coffee shop were to open in the neighborhood - because that new
>shop would likely take away some of her customers. In fact many
>shopping centers, fully aware of that fact, have policies of not letting
>their premises to competing businesses. Not long ago, my community
>association put up a fight against a store owner applying for a liquor
>license, and we were strongly supported by the owner of a neighborhood
>liquor store in the area. Obviously, the owner did not like the
>prospect of having competition.
>
>A similar logic applies to peddlers of intellectual commodity. Most US
>politics is in fact a platform for selling intellectual commodity -
>lectures, articles, books, pamphlets, signs or even popularity and name
>recognition (that can be turned into a better employment prospect),
>etc. Peddlers of different types intellectual commodities naturally
>compete with each other, and the smaller their market niche, the fiercer
>the competition. The market for mainstream intellectual commodity is
>quite large, so those who produce for that market can make a handsome
>profit even if their product reaches a relatively small share of that
>marker. But those who produce for small market niches cannot afford
>loosing their share to competition, because the numbers are so small.
>Hence they compete fiercely with each other rather than with the
>producers of commodities marked for mainstream audiences.
>
>Needless to add that mudslinging always sells - so that too adds to the
>marketability of the intellectual product.
>
>Wojtek
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