[lbo-talk] Struggle

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>[lbo-talk] Nietzschean visions
>Ted Winslow egwinslow at rogers.com, Fri Mar 12 04:46:07 PST 2004
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>How does this vision of human authenticity differ from the vision 
>set out in the passages from Zizek I recently quoted or from the 
>identification of Marxian politics with "struggle" disconnected from 
>any consideration of what struggle is for, from any consideration of 
>"cookbooks for the future"?
>
>Ted

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"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to 
favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops 
without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and 
lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many 
waters. This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical 
one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a 
struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and 
it never will" (Frederick Douglass, "West India Emancipation," speech 
delivered at Canandaigua, New York, August 4, 1857, _The Life and 
Writings of Frederick Douglass_, 1950, ed. Philip S. Foner, vol. 2, 
p. 437).

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CB: Isn't Douglass giving us a recipe for freedom from slavery in the U.S. 
then , and other "progressive" goals  now ?  The goal is something in his 
thought; the movement is not everything.

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