[lbo-talk] Incomparably more civilized

T Fast tfast at yorku.ca
Fri May 7 21:31:15 PDT 2004


Why even bother with "civilization" as an axis for the conversation? There are a million ways to kill a human or take over their country. Civilisation is often a cover for both. Why not just talk about the changing nature of the constraints the US state faces in acting on its imperial ambitions?

Travis


> Doug writes:
> "Why not concede Chomsky's argument, that the U.S. is "incomparably
> more civilized" than it was 40 years ago? Only the right-wing nuts
> are defending this - even the gang on CNBC warming up for the jobs
> report this morning looked uncomfortable. Why hasn't the U.S.
> flattened Fallujah and Najaf already? Could it be partly for fear of
> public revulsion, and the need to keep up an appearance of sparing
> civilian life?"
>
> I would love to concede. I would love for it to be true. It is the case
that there were millions out on the street protesting this action even before anything started. It is also the case that the U.S. has been raping and torturing this nation for how long? how far back do you want to go? the last Gulf war?
>
> It's possible we are more civilized. How to judge? Racism? Well, it is now
institutionalized in a different way. Suburban bubbles trump overt segregation. The war on drugs provides a convenient cover. And yet part of what was so appalling about the Iraq pictures was the racism...it sure looks ugly when it's right in your face. And there was shock.
>
> Otherwise, I don't know. One difference between now and twenty years ago
is how much more people need to climb into their private little bubbles. If it were easy to put up with the barbarity, the bubbles would not be so necessary.
>
> Let's see what happens next.
>
> Joanna
>
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