[lbo-talk] Cultural Change? ( Marxist democracy)

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Tue May 11 10:03:49 PDT 2004


perhaps you guys can go and help Rumsfeld

Gary? ride si sapis

^^^^ CB: No, what I am saying would actually be harmful to Rumsfeld.

^^^^^^

From: "Brian Charles Dauth"

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> Or Cuba. It took an armed struggle for the initial victory of the
revolution in Cuba;

Agreed. But look at the consequences: queers put into concentration camps. Clearly Castro did not know when to stop the violence (he also later imprisoned people with HIV/AIDS). Is that a success?

Once the ball of violence starts is it possible to contain it? How do you determine when the objective(s) of the violence has been achieved?

^^^^^ CB: Yes, these are cogent questions, and there is no short answer to them. However, I wouldn't say "violence" is not like a ball that just rolls. The partisans of the working class should not oppose the establishment of a socialist state because it will make mistakes and even commit crimes against socialist or working class interests and principles ( repression that is not of counterrevolution, in short). "We" can't control the whole process. It will be out of organic intellectuals control to some extent.

In this regard, it does involve a certain ultimate faith in the working class, and in working class leaders. This faith will not always be well placed. I do think it is well placed in the case of Cuba. Despite errors , Cuba is a shining example of a successful revolution.



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