-- Luke
Quoting Michael Dawson <MDawson at pdx.edu>:
> Hey, Luke -- You need to have actual red blood in your veins to talk about
> morality. Robert Reich does. John Kerry does not.
>
> And BTW, in order to talk about morality, you have to do more than make one
> complaint. You have to make morality the core of your campaign.
>
> Kerry was apologetic, cryptic, and technocratic in everything he said.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> On Behalf Of lweiger at umich.edu
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:32 AM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: RE: [lbo-talk] a vision...
>
> Hey, Michael--if it were that simple, Kerry's line that he's tired of
> Republicans talking about family values without valuing families would've
> won
> him the election. It didn't.
>
> -- luke
>
> Quoting Michael Dawson <MDawson at pdx.edu>:
>
> > Hey, Luke -- Listen to Robert Reich, who quite clearly and easily explains
> > that what your DP technocratic asshole candidates concede to call "the
> > economy" and "health care" are actually the ultimate moral issues.
> There's
> > an easy and obvious way to talk like this. It simply requires giving the
> > middle finger to the DLC pricks who run this joke of a party.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> > On Behalf Of lweiger at umich.edu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:22 AM
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] a vision...
> >
> > Yea. Treating cultural issues as though they're epiphenomenal is a huge
> > error,
> > but there's no easy solution. We'd of found it by now if there was one.
> >
> > Quoting Jon Johanning <jjohanning at igc.org>:
> >
> > > Well, all of this exit poll excitement on the list shows that leftists
> > > can be as irrational as rightists.
> > >
> > > People who make a business of polling (like the Mystery Pollster) say
> > > over and over that exit polls are not to be used as predictors of the
> > > results, and it seems that the exit polls were especially unsuited for
> > > that purpose this time -- if you took them as predictors, they were
> > > wildly inaccurate in favor of Kerry.
> > >
> > > As of this writing, it seems practically impossible for Kerry to get
> > > Ohio; therefore, Bush is re-elected.
> > >
> > > Everyone should look at Meteor Blade's reflections this morning on
> > > DailyKos.com: "Don't mourn; organize!" It's time to take a hard, sober
> > > look at where we are and what to do about it.
> > >
> > > One thing exit polls can do is suggest why people voted the way they
> > > did. It seems, from the analyses the TV gurus are making this morning,
> > > that the most important issue was "moral values," where Bush clearly
> > > triumphed, followed by economic issues (Kerry won there), Iraq (again,
> > > Kerry won or did very well, because there was a lot of dissatisfaction
> > > and disquiet about the Iraq situation), and terrorism (not so important
> > > as the other issues, apparently, but an issue Bush got a lot of mileage
> > > out of).
> > >
> > > It seems clear that the Left (both inside and outside the DP) will be
> > > out of commission for quite a few years until it can figure out how to
> > > neutralize the "values" issues (conservative religion, homophobia
> > > (reduced but still active), "pro-life," etc.). There seems to be a very
> > > large and (for now) immobile part of the country that resents secular
> > > people, "latte drinkers," "liberals," etc. These folks yearn for
> > > emotional security and will pay any price they need to to ignore
> > > reality -- they have dug in their heels in support of a world-view that
> > > we leftists consider delusional. We need to understand this fact and
> > > figure out how to deal with it, or we will be outside in the political
> > > cold for a very long time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Johanning // jjohanning at igc.org
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> > > It isn't that we believe in God, or don't believe in God, or have
> > > suspended judgment about God, or consider that the God of theism is an
> > > inadequate symbol of our ultimate concern; it is just that we wish we
> > > didn't have to have a view about God. It isn't that we know that "God"
> > > is a cognitively meaningless expression, or that it has its role in a
> > > language-game other than fact-stating, or whatever. We just regret the
> > > fact that the word is used so much.
> > > - Richard Rorty
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