Joanna
John Thornton wrote:
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>> At 05:41 PM 11/4/2004, John Thornton wrote:
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>>> I don't know how giant it is but don't you think that many more
>>> people would have come and voted for Kerry if he had promised a CWA
>>> and CCC type job program to fix failing infrastructure and put
>>> people to work? That along with true universal health care would
>>> have brought out many more people to vote who just stayed home and
>>> ignored all this shit as being irrelevant in their lives. Programs
>>> like these would make it relevant to them and they would vote in
>>> greater numbers. Provided the Dems made their plans clear enough so
>>> people could understand them of course.
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>> Nope, I don't think this at all. In the first place, any of the
>> libertarians or former Bush voters that chose to vote for Kerry would
>> have never done so with that program. Second, a good share of people
>> would have come out to vote against Kerry. The Busheviks would have
>> cremated KE'04 with talk of commies. Come on, read what that
>> asschomp, NOrquist wrote. Better yet, read what a former client wrote
>> me last night. He's a former cop, went into the infosec business
>> after retirement, worked for a fortune 50 with a rep for began
>> politically liberal, but is a big 2a fan. I think he's a lot more
>> like typical people--who actually think Hitlery is LIBERAL! I about
>> busted a gut -- it wasn't the first time I'd heard this. Bill and
>> Hitlery were liberals!
>>
>> I'm not saying we can't ever do what you say, but our first task it
>> changing the tenor of public discourse in the first place. That's a
>> long, hard struggle but it's doable. We just need to be able to sit
>> down and make a flippin' plan!
>>
>> This mess needs some project management, damn it. Who do I send my
>> resume to? :)
>>
>> kelley
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> This seems to support the idea that things have to get worse before
> they can get better. This is an idea I try to reject out of fear of
> what level of suffering it means for so many people and how easy it is
> to espouse this idea from the comfort of my present location. History
> shows us that the quickest way to change the tenor of public discourse
> is to have a crisis that makes that unavoidable. It hasn't given us
> much guidance in another route.
> Until the last few months I had been privately advocating such a
> position and believing a Bush victory might work towards that end. I
> debated it publicly but never explicitly stated it as a belief. It
> isn't an idea I'm strongly wedded and I continue to search for and
> hope for another more viable option but to date remain unconvinced
> despite my work with others who do not hold that view.
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> John Thornton
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