[lbo-talk] No Stolen Elections!

[Yoshie Furuhashi]

John Thornton jthorn65 at mchsi.com, Fri Nov 5 11:32:05 PST 2004:
>>So say Kerry won Ohio - he still would have lost the pop vote by 
>>3m+. When Bush lost the pop vote by 500k and won the electoral 
>>vote, we denounced that as an antidemocratic abomination, which it 
>>was. But while 500k is virtual tie, a 3m pop vote lead is serious. 
>>Would we want to call a Kerry electoral college victory under those 
>>circs legitimate?
>>
>>The fraud & intimidation should be investigated and denounced. But 
>>saying "Kerry won" is delusional and hypocritical.
>>
>>Doug
>
>No it's not. This is the way the Repubs would have played it and so 
>by necessity it is the way the Dems should. Make the Repubs choke on 
>their own shit. It isn't always about what's fair and right. If you 
>want power you have to take it any legal way you can. The Dems 
>should wait until all votes are counted and demand that "spoiled" 
>votes in minority districts be counted and take power. Tell the 
>Repubs if they don't like it they can work to abolish the EC but 
>until then shut the fuck up and take the loss of the EC with 
>"graciousness and dignity so we can work together blah, blah, 
>blah..."

The Democratic Party will not do what rank-and-file Democratic voters 
think it should do -- not on its own.  Can rank-and-file Democrats on 
the left make Democratic Party politicians fight for democratic 
rights to vote and have the votes counted -- against the politicians' 
own interests?  While campaigning for John Kerry, registering voters 
and getting them out to vote, have rank-and-file Democrats built and 
kept control of their own databases of names and contact information 
of organizers, activists, volunteers, and voters on the left, so they 
can activate the rank-and-file networks for purposes of their own, 
defying the order of the Democratic Party to stand down?  Or have 
they given away all the names and contact information they collected 
while volunteering to the bureaucrats of the Democratic Party, 
unions, non-profits, etc., thus left without their own bases of power 
and unable to make any move independently (of ACT, MoveOn, Working 
America, the Democratic Party, etc.) now?
-- 
Yoshie

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