Look, I only said that he did not seem that impressive. I hardly think that such a thought constitutes an attack. Aren't you being too sensititive.
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 09:05:48PM -0800, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> Let's go to war on our closest allies, that's a great
> idea. The main enemy is on the Democratic party left!
> All one of it in the US Senate, that is. Death to
> Progressive Democrats! Who needs to fight Karl Rove,
> Bush, Chgeney, et al when we can hammer at Barak? Who,
> btw, is tremendously impressive (for a Democrat),
> Michael. I expect we can have four years of this,
> Yoshie? I'm looking forward to it, really. It will be
> SO much fun. jks
>
>
> --- Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> wrote:
>
> > >m I the only one who was not particularly impressed
> > by him? He
> > >seemed nice. He had a nice story. He had nice
> > credentials. And maybe
> > >he was good in Illinois politics? I don't know.
> > >--
> > >Michael Perelman
> >
> > Barack Obama appealed to rich educated white voters
> > by boasting of
> > his responsibility for the welfare reform and
> > placated working-class
> > constituencies by emphasizing that he softened its
> > blow:
> >
> > <blockquote>Candidates address drug prices, welfare
> > law
> > By CHRISTOPHER WILLS
> > The Associated Press
> >
> <http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/Popup?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Cnews%5Cstories.nsf&docid=5DA1BA9DBD874A7586256F3C004DC627>
> > Friday, Oct. 29 2004
> >
> > . . . Obama said he had "been responsible, in this
> > state, for one of
> > the most successful welfare reform programs in the
> > country."
> >
> > Obama, a freshman senator when the welfare reform
> > package passed, was
> > a key Democratic negotiator on the issue, but Sen.
> > Dave Syverson,
> > R-Rockford, was its lead Senate sponsor. Keyes said
> > Obama did sponsor
> > a bill to track the progress of the Illinois
> > program. . . .
> >
> > Obama said the two bills were separate, and his
> > statements about
> > helping shape welfare reform in Illinois refer to
> > his role in the
> > negotiations.
> >
> > "I've never claimed that I single-handedly passed
> > welfare reform,"
> > Obama said. "What I said was I was the Democratic
> > lead negotiator for
> > the welfare reform bill we eventually
> > passed."</blockquote>
> >
> > Obama will be an obstacle in bringing the troops
> > home and ending the
> > occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan:
> >
> > <blockquote>Alan Keyes and Barack Obama debate,
> > hosted by Illinois
> > Radio Network
> > October 12, 2004 . . .
> >
> > MODERATOR: Senator Obama, you were against the war,
> > no doubt about
> > it, before the war began. But now you're in favor of
> > keeping troops
> > there. How long?
> >
> > BARACK OBAMA, (D) ILLINOIS U.S. SENATE CANDIDATE:
> > Well, let me first
> > of all say thank you for hosting this debate.
> >
> > Ambassador Keyes and I agree on one thing, and that
> > is that the War
> > on Terror has to be vigorously fought. Where we part
> > company is how
> > to fight it, because I think Afghanistan in fact was
> > not a preemptive
> > war, it was a war launched directly against those
> > who were
> > responsible for 9-11. Iraq was a preemptive war
> > based on faulty
> > evidence--and I say that not in hindsight, or
> > Monday-morning
> > quarterbacking. Six months before the war was
> > launched, I questioned
> > the evidence that would lead to us being there. Now,
> > us having gone
> > in there, I do think we now have a deep national
> > security interest in
> > making certain that Iraq is stable. If is it not
> > stable, not only are
> > we going to have a humanitarian crisis, I think we
> > are also going to
> > have a huge national security problem on our
> > hands--because,
> > ironically, it has become a hotbed of terrorists as
> > a consequence, in
> > part, of our incursion there.
> >
> > In terms of timetable, I'm not somebody who thinks
> > we can say with
> > certainty that a year from now or six months from
> > now we're going to
> > be able to pull down troops. I think that we have to
> > do three things.
> > Number one, we have to rapidly advance the speed
> > with which we are
> > training Iraqi troops and security forces so that
> > they can stabilize
> > the country, and that's going to require our help.
> >
> > But it's also going to require the help of the
> > international
> > community, which is why we have to internationalize
> > this process. I'm
> > under no illusions that the Germans and the French
> > are going to be
> > sending troops in any time soon, but I do believe
> > that we can get
> > them to put more resources into the training and
> > infrastructure
> > required to secure the Iraqi borders and the Iraqi
> > streets.
> >
> > And finally, I think it's important that we get our
> > reconstruction
> > moving. I think it is undeniable that the
> > reconstruction process that
> > has taken place has been completely inept. And
> > that's not simply my
> > estimation, that's the estimation of the two ranking
> > Republican
> > Senators on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
> > Chuck Hagel and
> > Dick Lugar, who issued a blistering attack on this
> > administration six
> > weeks before the presidential election. Highly
> > unusual--and I think
> > it indicates how badly botched this job has been.
> >
> > MODERATOR: Senator Obama, Afghanistan has just
> > conducted the first
> > elections in its 5,000-year history. They appear to
> > have gone very
> > well--at least, up to this point. The Bush
> > administration is pointing
> > to that as a suggestion of the way the elections
> > might proceed in
> > Iraq. Is that not a hopeful sign for Iraq, and for
> > the elections that
> > we may be seeing there in January?
> >
> > OBAMA: I think it is an absolutely hopeful sign for
> > the people of
> > Afghanistan. And as I have stated unequivocally, I
> > have always
> > thought that we did the right thing in Afghanistan.
> > My only concerns
> > with respect to Afghanistan was that we diverted our
> > attention from
> > Afghanistan in terms of moving into Iraq, and I
> > think would could
> > have done a better job of stabilizing that country
> > than we have in
> > providing assistance to the Afghani people.
> >
> > But I think that all of us, Republican and Democrat,
> > should be
> > rooting for the Afghani people and making sure that
> > we are providing
> > them the support to make things happen. With respect
> > to Iraq, I think
> > it's going to be a tougher play. But, again, I don't
> > think any of us
> > should be rooting for failure in Iraq at this point.
> > This is no
> > longer George Bush's war, this is our war, and we
> > all have a stake in
> > it.
> >
> > But, you know, the analogy that I use is that, you
> > know, if a driver
> > of a car, your car, drives it into a ditch, there
> > are only so many
> > ways to pull it out. And so, John Kerry is going to
> > be doing many
> > similar things to what George Bush is doing in terms
> > of making sure
> > that we do the best we can in Iraq.
> >
> > That doesn't mean we don't fire the driver, and it
> > doesn't mean that
> > we don't examine carefully what lead us to be in
> > this ditch in the
> > first place. I think it was a bad strategic
> > blunder--and as I said,
> > that's not simply my estimation. That's the
> > estimation of a number of
> > Republicans.
> >
> >
> <http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/media/debates/04_10_12irndebate.htm></blockquote>
> >
> > On big-ticket items, he is a typical Democrat.
> > --
> >
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