i know i know. i thought when i read it again that i had really not accurately represented your position. sorry about that. :-)
and your points below are basically mine, as well.
huh. who'd've thunk we'd agree? ;-)
j
>I'm saying that his view are the most
> progressive views--on the domestic front--we have and he articulates them
> in a way people need to hear--that resonates with u.s. moral tranditions.
> what robert bellah et al. called civic individualism. my response to
> carrol's claims about his Iran policy was simply, "so?, that wasn't my
> question." Yoshie's response was equally inane because I'd already
> indicated that, of course, we weren't going to find perfection. we ahve to
> work with the "struggles and wishes of the age" and that means finding the
> most progressive struggles and advancing them, instead of despising them
> every lovin' minute because the people who side with those struggles aren't
> pure leftists.
>
> OK. i need to shut this thing down and not look at this list any more.
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> "We live under the Confederacy.
> We're a podunk bunch of swaggering
> pious hicks."
>
> --Bruce Sterling
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