[lbo-talk] Against Bashing Christians

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 7 13:14:38 PST 2004


You must have missed, as far as smart recent Christian goes, Luke's and my exchange about some high powered Christian philosophers, including my former advisor at Cambrifge, Mary Hesse.

If you think it's stupid to cite Abelard (did I list him?) Occam, Augustine, Aquinas, Scotus, etc., I pity you.

Recent Christians of weight and note include: Martin Luther King Jr. Dorothy Day. Gary Wills. Etc.

Get out of your secular ghetto, fella. If there is an organized left in this country, it's religious.

--- Michael Pugliese <michael098762001 at earthlink.net> wrote:


> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:20:00 +0000, Carl Remick
> <carlremick at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, when medieval thinkers are being cited on the
> LBO list as
> > inspirational figures, I'd say the left really is
> cooked.
> > BTW, I find it interesting that this listing of
> Christian non-morons
> > includes no one dating later than Hegel.
> > Carl
>
> Jeesh. I'm not a Christian but, really here are
> some more post-Hegel
> who are far from morons. Hans Kung, Stanley
> Hauerwas, Alasdair MacIntryre,
> Robert Bellah, Terry Eagleton, Jacques Ellul,
> Christopher Lasch, Berdiaev,
> Reinhold Niebuhr, Mark C. Taylor. (Confidence Games
> : Money and Markets in
> a World without Redemption [Religion and
> Postmodernism Series]) by Mark C.
> Taylor
>
http://www.williams.edu/mtaylor/books/pages/tears.html
> Tears
> by Mark C. Taylor
>
> State University of New York Press
> January 1990
>
> In Tears, the author explores theoretical issues
> raised by the
> intersection of philosophy, literature, art,
> architecture, and theology.
> The critical accounts of thinkers like Derrida,
> Blanchot, Jabes,
> Kierkegaard, Hegel, Heidegger, Ricoeur, Gadamer,
> Austin, Ayre, Rorty,
> Tillich, Barth, and Altizer developed in this book
> effectively reshape and
> refocus the terms of current debate.
>
> Reviews
>
> Mark C. Taylor is simply the most interesting
> younger theologian since
> Paul Tillich and is increasingly recognized as such.
> Tears brings out what
> is distinctive about Taylor's work, what sets it
> apart from death of god
> theologians like Thomas Altizer and from scholarly
> postmodernists like
> Richard Rorty and Rodolphe Gashe. At the same time,
> one can see what is
> afoot in Taylor's other books. The key lies not only
> in the theological
> and philosophical uses to which Derrida is put, but
> also in Taylor's
> absolutely original reading of Kierkegaard. This is
> an original study of
> fundamental importance. Taylor shows how and why
> these matters are
> significant for the history of Western metaphysics,
> for politics, morals,
> and art. This book not only extends the text of
> Taylor's other books but
> is in many ways the best introduction to them. The
> reader can grasp the
> conceptual backdrop Taylor brings to his work, while
> at the same time
> she/he sees just how the work moves, not in a
> straightforward line but by
> way of gaps, fissure, and backtracking. This
> collection reflects the best
> of Taylor's thought.
> Edith Wyschogrod, City University of New York
>
> http://www.tcpc.org/ The Center for Progressive
> Christianity
>
http://www.tcpc.org/resources/constellation/fall_03/index.htm
> No matter what one's politics or theology, the 2003
> US war on Iraq has
> become a milestone in history. It marks the first
> major war the US has
> waged without at least alleging that its actions
> were defensive in the
> cause of freedom. It is the first US war which the
> vast majority of
> nations has opposed. It is the first war in which
> the US government's
> publicly announced reasons for going to war have
> proven groundless. All
> the while, the US President has consistently invoked
> the name of God.
>
> These developments demand new and clear thinking by
> progressive
> Christians. Especially since conservative
> Christians have appealed to old
> theologies and pieties of war at this time, new
> theological articulations
> by progressive Christians are critical. This issue
> of Constellation
> contains essays by leading American voices in
> response to our editorial
> question: As a progressive Christian, what do you
> think about the war in
> Iraq and its consequences? Our authors answered in
> creative ways—using
> parables, history, theology, and politics to lay
> bare the roots of this
> conflict. They not only articulated theology in new
> ways, but proposed
> alternatives to war—practical ways of building
> communities of hope.
>
> Award winning essayist and novelist Barbara
> Kingsolver has given us her
> response in the heralded essay "Small Wonder." We
> are grateful for her
> generous permission to print this essay, and honored
> by her association
> with us as a progressive Christian journal.
> National Council of Churches
> Secretary General Robert Edgar, Princeton theologian
> Mark Taylor,
> Mennonite theologian Ted Grimsrud, psychoanalyst
> Richard Ford, human
> rights advocates Kathy Kelly and Cathy Breen,
> Washington pundit and pastor
> Dean Snyder, and Quaker theologian Larry Miller
> contribute powerful essays
> of their own. It is our hope that this collection
> will provide insight
> and perspective for our readers on this important
> issue.
>
> » Small Wonder
>
> Barbara Kingsolver
>
> In this essay, Barbara Kingsolver offers a modern
> parable as a way of
> looking for meaning and hope in the midst of
> suffering. Her thoughtful
> rendering of this alternative vision supported by
> choice and decision give
> us a way out of despair - “the utterly simple,
> infinitely wise, ultimately
> defiant act of loving one thing then another, loving
> our way back to life.”
>
> » Through the Eyes of a Peacemaker: An Unflinching
> Look at the Iraq War
>
> Bob Edgar
>
> Objections to this war raised by the peace movement
> have been hard for
> many citizens to accept. There may be a kind of
> “cognitive dissonance”
> operating that makes it difficult for people to
> reconcile the peace
> movement’s analysis, which said that our nation
> was headed toward a moral
> wrong, with the heritage and ideals of our country
> that we cherish. Bob
> Edgar believes it is the better part of patriotism
> to know and face the
> facts, even if it makes Christians become
> “cognitive dissidents.”
>
> » Liberation, Neocons and the Christian Right:
> Options for Pro-Active
> Christian Witness in Post 9/11
>
> Mark Lewis Taylor
>
> Christians need to contribute a stronger, more
> visible, proactive, public
> witness in the US political arena, one that is
> prophetic, protesting and
> questioning of the present government’s imperial
> designs. Mark Taylor
> takes on three important interpretative tasks to
> accomplish this. First,
> he asks what it means to be about something called
> “Christian” public
> witness; second, he goes beyond the commentary of
> current mass media to
> interpret what we mean by “post-9/11 USA”;
> third, he suggests what
> Christians might do and say in these times.
>
> » Anabaptist Faith and Empire Faith
>
> Ted Grimsrud
>
> This essay examines the two USAmerica’s - one that
> stands for democracy,
>
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