[lbo-talk] Where we stand today

Lance Murdoch lancemurdoch at gmail.com
Fri Nov 12 17:33:45 PST 2004


On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:32:12 -0500, John Lacny <jlacny at earthlink.net> wrote:

I still haven't seen anything contradicting what I said regarding SEIU local 1199. There are unions, and when they have a local chapter, that chapter gets a number. SEIU is a union, and there is local 1199.

This is like me saying I was walking down 42nd Street and being told I'm wrong, because I was walking down East 42nd Street and then I was walking down West 42nd Street. Because if these were different locals they would have different numbers. If it weren't, it would be like saying 42nd Street is also 41st, 43rd and 44th Street. Fine SEIU 1199 in Wisconsin and SEIU 1199 in New York have seperate leadership. They are still local 1199. What does the 1199 stand for if it is not the local number? You tell me I'm wrong, and then say I am talking about oranges when I am talking about apples. I never said they didn't have separate leadership. I said they are all local 1199 of SEIU. You're telling me I'm wrong because they have separate leaderships, but I never said that they didn't. Nathan Newman says this:

"Lance- you are wrong and wrong...Local 1199 SEIU, headed by Dennis Rivera, exists only in New York State and merged with SEIU only in 1998. All the other 1199 locals are separate locals, either members of SEIU separate from the New York local, or part of AFSCME."

All the other locals are seperate locals? This is either contradictory, or you mean local in two senses. How could local (singular) 1199 be separate locals (plural) otherwise? If a local can also be a locals, as you state, how am I incorrect?

This was a very minor point to what I was saying anyway, but it is still correct. You keep saying that they have different leaderships, thus I'm incorrect, but I never said they didn't have different leaderships. As far as "obviously do know nothing about SEIU's internal structure" and me being a "clueless dipshit" about this, much of this was related to me by SEIU 1199 people, including a delegate.



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