The broader point is that a lot of folks denounce labor leaders or "the Democratic Party" based on non-existent "facts" that are just plain wrong. And they claim it's just their "free speech right" to libel other activists based on false facts.
Nathan Newman
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Dawson" <MDawson at pdx.edu>
Nathan, what's the deal, dude? If Local 1199 is separate locals, then explain this fact. Once you do that, then you've exposed the "lie," which in this case seems to be a simple case of misinformed opinion.
What's the source of your thought-police instinct? Why is debunking a lie or error not enough for you?
And, please give this harangue of yours a rest! You are wrong, and Doug is not going to fact-check, thank dog. If he did, you might be one of the first victims, since you insist on painting opinion conflicts and shaded, complex, and genuinely arguable interpretations as crude lies.
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Nathan Newman
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:30 AM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Where we stand today
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Henwood" <dhenwood at panix.com>
>
>
> Nathan Newman wrote:
> >Of course it's okay to criticize anyone. It's not okay to make up lies
> as
> >part of the criticism.
>
> -I'm not going to start fact-checking posts, esp since what some
> -people call lies others call a difference of opinion.
>
> Doug-- you shouldn't be echoing the line that all facts are just matters
> of
> opinion. As to the issue at stake in the exchange, whether a the
different
> organizations with 1199 in their name is a separate local or not is not a
> question of opinion, but a legal matter governed by pretty tight federal
> law on elections and membership control.
>
> I'm sorry-- if you aren't going to fact check, then when people keep
> repeating lies and ignore fact check posts, you shouldn't complain when
> they get called dipshits or any other insult. After a while, clear lies
> or arguing based on ignorance (even after correction) doesn't deserve the
> respect of politeness.
>
> -- Nathan Newman
>
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