andie nachgeborenen wrote:
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> There are issues here:
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> 1) is the welfare state worth defending?
Yes. I presume there is unanimous agreement on that. There is probably a good deal of disagreement on _how_ it can be most successfully defended, and how that intersects other struggles.
> 2) is it OK for socialists to talk about defending it
when they mean the capitalist welfare state>
Of course.
> 3) Or as euphemism for some of socialism
No. Euphemisms are counter-productive in left politics, both in the short run and in the long run.
> 4) Would socialism involve a sort of welfare state?
I don't see how this is a coherent question.
Carrol