1) is the welfare state worth defending? 2) is it OK for socialists to talk about defending it when they mean the capitalist welfare state> 3) Or as euphemism for some of socialism 4) Would socialism involve a sort of welfare state?
1) Yes. It is also worthy of criticism.
2) Yes. Because communists are part of the left, they defend any claims and gains that the working class has managed to wrest from Capital.
3) Social ownership of the means of production under democratic control of the producers. Classless, non-political society. Production of goods and services for use and need. ( I leave "profit" out here because social ownership negates profit, unless we're talking "market socialism"--I'm not.)
4) Socialsim would funnel ALL not just some of the wealth workers create in their common efforts, back to the control/ownership of the producers themselves.
Best, Mike B)
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