[lbo-talk] Re: Political Cartography

Michael Dawson MDawson at pdx.edu
Mon Nov 22 14:11:46 PST 2004


If somebody who wasn't friendly to the idea asked me if I was a socialist, personally, I'd call myself a "survivalist" and start talking about the high risks of poverty/civil wars, ecological collapse, and World War 3.


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> We often hear the slogan "democratic control of the
> economy" or "of the means of production," but that is
> easily countered by the argument that there have never
> yet been any actual examples of such control, so it is
>
> merely a utopian notion.
>
> Jon Johanning // jjohanning at igc.org
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> There was a time when slavery was the norm and calling
> for its abolition could have been dismissed as
> utopian.
>
> The fact is that the means of production are already
> run by the workers themselves. Not only that, but it
> is the workers who create the means of production.
> This is a social, cooperative act which goes on in
> daily life. It is also a fact that what the working
> class creates socially is either owned by a few people
> and or controlled by a few bureaucrats. The point is
> to change that social relation into one where the
> social product of labour is both owned and controlled
> by its producers. Hence, democratic control of the
> economy as a demand.
>
> Best,
> Mike B)
>
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