[lbo-talk] Energy article on Spiked

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Thu Oct 14 14:10:32 PDT 2004


Banker wrote:
>
>...""luddite" is, and always has been, the idiotic put-down"
>What's idiotic is wanting to get rid of current forms of
>electricity provision without putting anything credible
>in its(sic) place....

Something that nobody in the world (except--perhaps--for the late Pol Pot) has ever proposed.
>
>"Electricity can be stored"
>...I think you're confusing electricity with energy. Not
>even the most utopian environmentalists are suggesting
>that we can store electricity for general use. Hence the
>Californian shortage...

Only a banker could say that. Everyone else knows there was and is no "shortage"--just market manipulation by the banker-controlled energy conglomerates (Enron et.al.) and politicians (Davis et. al.)


>...Electricity...can be used to make hydrogen to be burned
>in fuel cells...

What ignorance! Fuel cells do not generate energy by "burning" (rapidly oxidizing) hydrogen. A fuel cell works by stripping electrons (electricity in its purest available state) from hydrogen atoms to produce electric current. The remaining nuclei combine (4/1) with oxygen--producing water but virtually no heat. Hydrogen, when produced by electrolysis, stores *electricity*. This is how:

Wind turbine->Electricity->Electrolysis->Hydrogen->Fuel Cell->Electricity


>"A tiny fraction of our planet's aeolian resources would
>be sufficient"
>...Animal farts would provide a lot of energy too. But at
>present we don't have the ability to harness either
>efficiently...

Wind farms right now are efficiently producing substantial amounts of electricity in many European countries--including the UK.
>
>"The transition to the hydrogen economy needs to be
>begun right away with massive publically financed
>programs"
>This makes sense to me, as part of an approach based
>around long-term planning. But the technology needs to
>be developed further before this can be a practical
>alternative.

As with every technology, development proceeds pari passu with practical application. Add in 21st-century research methodology, and the immediate practicality of massive "Manhattan Project" initiation of the hydrogen economy should be recognized by everyone except the apologists for vested petroleum-connected interests.

Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not consent to be called Zeus."

Herakleitos of Ephesos
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