[lbo-talk] Prop. 62 Would Squelch Third Parties in California

[Shane Mage]

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shane Mage" <shmage at pipeline.com>
>
>
>Nathan Newman wrote:
>>What are you talking about?  Electoral activists talk about Bush stealing
>the election in Florida and losing the electoral vote all the time....
>
>-All the time????  In November 2000 the Democratic Party absolutely
>-forbade its "electoral activists" (like Jesse "I am the General
>-in the War on Drugs" Jackson) to so much as mention "Bush stealing
>-the election in Florida."
>
>Again, what are you talking about?
>
>Talking about the election on MSNBC on November 22, 2000, Jesse Jackson
>said:
>"African-Americans were targeted, many of whom stood in long lines, and the
>polls closed on them in line. That was illegal. In West Palm, I saw maybe
>several thousand Jewish-Americans, Holocaust survivors who in their
>confusion punched two, and it did not mean Gore. So to see the Jewish
>senior citizens crushed, to see 19,000 more on their confused ballot--all
>of this is under Jeb Bush's watch, and the secretary of State. I think that
>it's--deserves more than a recount. It deserves an investigation."
>
>>From The Washington Times (random paper, many others):
>January 11, 2001:
>"Six national civil rights groups announced yesterday that they are suing
>Florida's top elections officials for depriving blacks and others of their
>right to vote in November's presidential election. . . The Florida governor
>is among several people subpoenaed to appear before the commission, which
>voted unanimously last month to travel to Florida to investigate
>accusations by the NAACP and the Rev. Jesse Jackson that blacks and other
>minorities were denied access to polling places as part of "a systematic
>plan.""
>
>Where is the silence in a mass lawsuit?


>What I said above was "In November 2000 the Democratic Party absolutely
>-forbade its "electoral activists" (like Jesse "I am the General
>-in the War on Drugs" Jackson) to so much as mention 'Bush stealing
-the election in Florida.'"  Of course they didn't shut JJ up completely--
noone could dream of doing that.  But the only thing NN's quote shows
is--absence of the word "steal" in any of its forms or synonyms.  And
that "mass lawsuit" vanished without a trace, of course.


>-In December it threw the recount by refusing
>-to contest the disfranchisement of thousands of Black voters.  In
>-January 2001 every single Democratic Senator refused the pleas
>-of Black representatives to challenge the theft politically.
>


>No one "threw the recount."...

The only things challenged were the "chads," not the uncounted votes.


>  The Dems didn't have the votes to win the
>vote.  It's delusionary to claim that the Democrats had 51 votes that could
>have changed the outcome.

In fact they had 50 Senators plus the Senate's President (Gore).


>  Remember, even if they rejected the Florida
ballots, that would have just thrown the election into the House where the
>Republicans still would have won.

That's as maybe.  But at worst a real fight would have effectively
discredited the Republicons politically and deprived the Bushits of
any legitimacy whatsoever, internationally and even domestically.


>So are you really claiming that Paul Wellstone conspired to help elect
>George W. Bush President?...

Far be it from me to defame the sainted Paul.  But the fact is that
*all* the Senate Dumbocrats "conspired" to *legitimize* the
Bushit regime.

Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called 
Zeus."                                                         

Herakleitos of Ephesos