[lbo-talk] Tariq Ali endorses Kerry, denounces Nader

snit snat snitilicious at tampabay.rr.com
Sat Oct 30 17:45:29 PDT 2004


At 06:43 PM 10/30/2004, Michael Dawson wrote:
>No, sir. This is bad faith stuff.
>
>Nader doesn't rebel against "the corporate socialism of the Democratic
>Party." He rebels against the corporate captivity of the Democratic Party.
>Raimondo misreports this one, and it's pretty scurrilous of you, Doug, to
>amplify it. This take by Raimondo is just a willful mis-hearing of what
>Nader says.

I don't get why this is a meaningful complaint. Nader rails against corporate socialism and he accuses the DP (and RP) of enabling corporate socialism.

IT's not as if Raimondo isn't a 'pox on both your houses" kinda guy, either, so he was obviously stressing Nader's critique of the DP in order to make an argument about how similar Nader's rhetoric is to that of midwest progressives.

I was potentially considering voting Nader, even here in limpdick. But then, he called a member of the CBC racist for calling Nader a "white man." I stay out of the whole thing most of the time b/c, the best he'll get from me is <flush>.

If I vote third party (and I have most of my life), it's because the candidate claims to stand on a lefty platform. Understanding the structural operations of racism (and oppression in general) is one of those fundamental issues--for me.

If I vote for a democrat, it's because s/he claims to represent one wing of capitalist party I prefer to live under, one I believe creates an environment slightly more advantageous to the left than under the other wing, and because they often give real, immediate relief to people like me.

I have been wantin' to blow democrats for the last week b/c of that freakin' earned income tax credit I've been eligible for while being single head of household. I'd also blow a democrat for the HUD subsidized housing i lived in until I became ineligible. I socked what I could away and could come up with the first/last/deposit.

Had to put up with the state visiting every year to look in my closet for a toolbox, in my bath for men's cologne, or in my closet for a flannel shirt (and they're weren't looking for my butch girlfriend, either!) Had to watch while the HUD subsidy fattened the wallet of the corporation that ran the place. Thought it was pathetic that kids had to work off a shoplifting charging by cleaning the complex grounds (instead of working a soup kitchen) as if the corporation that ran the joint was in need of free labor. But hey, you put up with the Sizzlean busting into your home every few months and ya also get free before and after school program for the kiddles. (I'm nodding at feminist critiques of the welfare state--how marriage to men is replaced with marriage to the state)

Finally, insanity/evil are irrelevant in my book. But, whatever Doug claims about Nader, it doesn't stand or fall because he fails to make the same observation about Treeface.


>The reason to vote against Nader is not political-theoretical. It's 100
>percent tactical.
>
>Nader is not a man of the Old Right, whatever elements of its talk he may
>echo. The cornerstone of Old Conservatism was anti-democracy. Nader is a
>staunch democrat, and always has been. And, isn't it worth saying that
>conservatism is a healthy aspiration? Aren't we all struggling for a world
>in which we can read the papers and look out the windows and honestly
>conclude that all big things are best? All good radicalism should contains
>the seeds of future conservatism, although not too many.
>
>And, BTW, how is this kind of Nader bashing any better than what Nader is
>doing? Shouldn't we LBO types be very careful not to give aid and comfort
>to the DP's internal Nader-bashing shills, who want us all, ala N. Newman,
>to stop all complaints about the past, present, and future nature of the DP?
>
>Nader is not insane or evil, and if you insist he is, then be consistent and
>observe the same about Horseface, who is 10 times the slut and idiot RN ever
>was. RN's simply making a bad tactical decision to keep going, probably out
>of personal desperation, and with lots of decent reasons.

"We live under the Confederacy. We're a podunk bunch of swaggering pious hicks."

--Bruce Sterling



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